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What’s happening?

Is this a minor issue in the UK, or is it building into some sort of fuss?

A church has been banned from using a market stall to hold its weekly outreach service following a complaint about “hate-motivated” leaflets published by the group.

The Norwich Reformed Church held a weekly outreach bookstall from the Norwich City Council-owned site on Hay Hill, but has been informed it is no longer allowed to use the stall after the council received a complaint about literature on it. The complaint prompted a review of the materials produced by Reverend Alan Clifford, pastor of the church, and the council contacted police as materials, particularly the leaflet entitled Why not Islam, were considered to be hate-motivated.

Ok, so I had a look at their site. It is told from a particular point of view, and forcefully in some places, but all statements made can be sustained with reasonable arguments.

The thing is, it questions the Religion of Peace narrative – and that is unacceptable in post Christian pretend secular Britain.

Is robust discussion truly being forbidden in the public square?

If so, do you truly believe it is in your interest?

If not, what are you doing about it?

Don’t expect someone else to act. It is your civilisation, it is your freedom of conscience, it is your freedom to speak your mind. They are all being taken from them, and you, slice, by slice, by slice.

You don’t have to support Christian theology in order to support their freedom to preach it. You don’t have to agree with their interpretation of history to defend their freedom to expound it.

Freedom, to have it for yourself you have no choice but to demand it for everyone else as well.

H/T Jihad Watch


  1. SadButMadLad says:

    It should be noted that though the council called the police, the police said there was no problem. Still the council went ahead and banned them.

  2. CountingCats says:

    Oh? Well, that’s ok then, isn’t it?



    The problem is, not that it crossed their minds to call the police, but that they thought there was an issue at all.

    The police being called was just an escalation of the basic problem.

  3. Schrodinger's Dog says:


    I absolutely agree with you on this one: our freedom of speech in the UK is being taken away, if it hasn’t gone already.

    But is there a free speech organisation in the UK, or elsewhere in Europe, for that matter? One that takes an absolutist stance on the subject: that all speech should be allowed. After all, only allowing free speech where no-one is offended is nothing of the kind. In the meantime, about all that seems to be happening is a lot of complaining on the blogosphere.

    And just what the hell were the police doing getting involved in this case?

  4. CountingCats says:

    Inoffensive speech needs no protection. The only speech that needs protection is offensive speech.

  5. Sam Duncan says:

    Judging by what I’ve seen round and about, offensive speech in public streets is just fine. As long as you’re being offensive about Israel or Christians, or boosting murderous socialists, that is. In fact, given that the valiant defenders of the innocent Palestinians, the vanguard of Allah, and the pioneers of the Bright Red Dawn don’t come out if it’s a bit chilly, the season for them should be starting any day now.

    Offering free personality tests to sucker people into signing up to your otherwise expensive “religion” also seems to be perfectly acceptable, too. Maybe the NRC should have tried that instead.

    Also: there are hills in Norwich?

  6. Dave says:

    “Also: there are hills in Norwich?”

    Grapes hill, Timber hill, Carrow hill, Ketts hill, Elm hill, Cow hill, Hay hill, Gas hill – this has an average gradient of 1 in 8 but the last section is noticeably steeper…

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