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I voted today

We had the local elections, so I strolled into the voting booth this afternoon, showed my ID, got my papers and voted.

Oz is one of the few places where voting is compulsory, so if needing to show ID is a disincentive to vote then we have a conflict and a problem.

Well, we don’t have a problem, pert near everyone seems to be able to deal with the matter, few are ever called on to pay the fine for failing in their obligation (I was once), and there is very little electoral fraud either. I really don’t know what the fuss is about in the US over voter ID, unless, of course, there are people who like electoral fraud.

Just as an FYI, following the Labor wipeout by the tories in the Queensland state election a couple of weeks ago, today Brisbane City Council – right now, with 64.2% of votes counted, prediction is 68.7% for the tories, and 31.3% for the progressives.

Oh, diddums.

14 Comments

  1. Sam Duncan says:

    “… unless, of course, there are people who like electoral fraud.”

    Oh, surely not… ?

    I’m always amazed that we can walk into a polling station, give our name and address, and vote without any checks at all in Britain. We’ve all heard the rumours, particularly around the easing of postal votes, but I strongly suspect that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

  2. RAB says:

    Do you have postal voting in OZ Cats?

    That’s where the propensity for fraud is coming from in the UK. It was the Labour party that encouraged it, I wonder why? ;-)

    I’d abolish it myself, if you can’t be arsed to walk a quarter of a mile to cast your vote, or be picked up by eager Party volunteers and delivered there, then lose your vote I say.

  3. Lynne says:

    Maybe voter ID ain’t such a bad idea.

  4. NickM says:

    Well, that’s why I have my Secret Squirrel disguise kit. False mustache, poncho, burkha, space suit.

  5. NickM says:

    RAB,
    I dunno about Oz but there’s some remote places so I guess they need postal votes.

    “or be picked up by eager Party volunteers and delivered there” – and that isn’t open to abuse? I just got a lift from a lovely young man from the Lib Dems! Now who should I vote for…

    The Greens of course would put you o the back of a bicycle made for two…

  6. RAB says:

    Well the way the lift thing used to work was that people were asked when canvassers came round and had said they were going to vote for whatever party, then it was duely noted and the lift would materialise. Course canny old infirm folk could vote for who they liked when they got inside the privacy of the booth.

    Do canvassers come round anymore? They don’t seem to round my way. Last election I was getting phonecalls from posh young gels of a Tory persuasion asking if “One could count on one’s vote?”

  7. John Galt says:

    Last election I was getting phonecalls from posh young gels of a Tory persuasion asking if “One could count on one’s vote?”

    To which the correct response is “Of course Nigel Farage can always count on my vote”…

    By the way, saw the UKIP Election Broadcast the other day – still don’t think they are getting the right message across although it was a good idea to have two of the councillors being former Labour councillors fairly prominent. Have to see what things look like after the vote, but hopefully UKIP will firmly put the Liberal Democrats on the road to electoral oblivion where they belong.

  8. RAB says:

    I always vote UKIP if there’s a candidate John.

    Olde Labour were always very anti EU. It was the Traitor Heath that dobbed us in, with his blatent lies and deception. And all pols of any stripe have gone along with the gravy train for superanuated charlatans ever since.

    I’ve told this before, but… In 1997 I was walking our dog in Heath Park when I came across Viscount Tonypandy, a friend of my family and neighbour since I was 8 years old. Well I sat down and had a chat for 20 minutes or so. As I got up to go I said, well I bet you are well pleased, your lot have got back in after all these years. He said that he wouldn’t have voted for them “they’re Tory lite boy and Blair is a phoney. I would have voted for UKIP.” He died a few month later. We disagreed on politics, but he was an honest principled man, one of the good guys.

  9. Trooper Thompson says:

    The lion’s share of voter fraud in America is not due to people voting more than once, but ballot box stuffing, which is especially easy with electronic voting machines. In Britain it seems to be postal votes being rigged.

  10. PeterT says:

    Well well, enthusiasm for democracy on a libertarian leaning blog.

    The solution to electoral fraud is simple and it is fewer elections. Sure, no matter how much we slim down the state there will still be some requirement for group decision making, but in such cases the stakes should be low enough for a ‘show of hands’ style of voting to be perfectly adequate.

  11. CountingCats says:

    Well well, enthusiasm for democracy on a libertarian leaning blog

    Um, yesterday there was an election, I am required by law to vote, I reported on the matter. I see no value judgement in what I wrote at all.

    Democracy is a good in as much as it is a perfectly acceptable means by which a free people should govern themselves. It is a bad when it starts to be used as a justification for that freedom to be diminished.

  12. CountingCats says:

    RAB,

    We have postal votes, but they are not distributed like confetti the way they are in the UK these days.

  13. Thornavis says:

    CC
    How does it work if you’re suddenly taken ill or some other crisis prevents you from voting, how would you prove that if you were had up before the beak on a charge of avoiding your democratic duty ? This is one of my many objections to the whole notion of compulsory voting, having to justify your everyday actions to the bloody state.

  14. CountingCats says:

    Thornavis,

    1, I dunno. Never bothered to find out.
    2, I agree with you. Just because the law exists doesn’t mean I agree with it. To me, not voting is a perfectly acceptable political act.

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