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Is it time to be Spartacus?

Here we go again.

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The Archbishop Cranmer has been reported by some number of small minded bigots to the Advertising Standards Authority. These people apparently object to any opinion with which they disagree being broadcast to the general public, in this case an advertisement which supports the belief “that marriage is a life-long union between one man and one woman, in accordance with the teaching of the Established Church, the beliefs of its Supreme Governor, and the law of the land."

The ASA, in their wisdom, have had the bare faced gall to demand his Eminence justify his political opinion, and his open support for the law and the teachings of The Church Established.

Personally, I don’t give a toss about gay marriage, one way or the other. Seriously, I just plain don’t care. However, I do object to agents, or pseudo agents, of the state demanding a freeborn Englishman justify his political views under threat of violence and sanction. So feel free to enjoy the advertisement.

Who the hell do these people think they are?

H/T Samizdata

Update:  Just to keep the memories fresh, here’s Ezra again, in full flow.

54 Comments

  1. Furor Teutonicus says:

    Just posted this on the comments page of your ASA link;

    XXX XX These people apparently object to any opinion with which they disagree being broadcast to the general public, in this case an advertisement which supports the belief “that marriage is a life-long union between one man and one woman, in accordance with the teaching of the Established Church, the beliefs of its Supreme Governor, and the law of the land.”

    The ASA, in their wisdom, have had the bare faced gall to demand his Eminence justify his political opinion, and his open support for the law and the teachings of The Church Established.XX

    Go fuck yourselves sideways you shower of fucking queer bastards.

    I WAS NOT anti “gay” but are fuckers like you MAKE me so with yout “hollier than thou” pedarastic arse licking. XXX

    Probably get ignored. But…..

  2. CountingCats says:

    Furor Teutonicus,

    Do not EVER write anything as foul mouthed, homophobic and abusive as that in response to a posting of mine again. If you do not write within the day acknowledging that vile comment is unacceptable I will delete it and ban you.

    Is that clear? I point out, I have never banned anyone before, but there can always be a first.

  3. CountingCats says:

    Sigh,

    And i disassociate myself from pink triangles and zyklon B as well.

    This sort of comment renders us no different to them, and has no place in any discussion I want to be part of.

    Is it any wonder progressives are comfortable in labeling libertarians as violent, homophobic NAZI’s if the language used is violent, homophobic and NAZI?

  4. mark says:

    CountingCats,

    I’m not sure that your type (decent) are welcome here.

  5. NickM says:

    My take.

    Furor Teutonicus. Cats may ban you but I’m simply tempted to also supply you with pink triangles a natty black uniform and Zyklon B.

    I personally believe that the state has no significant role in marriage and I certainly believe it absolutely has no role in sending Cranmer to the naughty step. I read His Grace. He makes no bones about being a trad Christian. I agree with much he says and disagree with much else he says. That is the point of a blogger. I mean if we were all individuals (I’m not!) what a dreadful place it would be. Furthermore (and I have posted here on a number of occasions – most recently quoting Clint Eastwood the noted Poncho-wearing chutney ferret) that opposing gay marriage is wrong and silly. It seems to me an absurd conflation is going on. The idea from many on the alleged right is this is dreadful “proggy plot” to bring down Western Civilization. Let’s look at it another way. A UK civil marriage is almost aggressively secular. Given that and that homosexual acts have been legal in this country for donkey’s years then… Or what about the religious groups such as the Quakers, Methodists and some Jews who want to celebrate gay marriages? The idea that “the God-botherers” are all against it is hog-wash. Indeed these groups who have the right under English law to solemnize marriage and have decided off their own bat they would like to recognize and conduct gay marriages find the idea of the state saying “Nyet!” a vile reprehension of their religious freedom. That is the point. It is a libertarian point. Our gaff, our rules. Nobody and I mean nobody is trying to force Muslims or Catholics to marry lesbians or gays. It really is driven by religious freedom which I believe in fundamentally and the struggle for which has littered Europe (and elsewhere) knee-deep in blood and entrails. So by the same token Cranmer is being persecuted for his beliefs in much the same way the more “liberal” religions on this score are by being denied the right to marry who they bally well want to.

    We opine, we editorialize, we laugh, we play. We don’t contact the ASA*. I mean as I said I agree with much of Cranmer and disagree with a lot his schtick but I understand his religious beliefs or rather I understand his right to them as much as I am sure he would understand my irreligious beliefs. I mean being able to disagree strongly without getting the heavies in is almost a definition of civilization. It is private property issues and that is exactly why Cats is right to object to Furor’s PoV (if you can call it that – it sounded like foul-mouthed** inaccurate*** invective to me) so strongly but not call for him to be strung up by his genitals or whatever. Perhaps that is why Cats is not only the host here but our moral centre.

    *And what made this their issue here? It is not as if Cranmer was falsely advertising a hypersonic plane for a tenner that could fly from Gatwick to Kansai on a tablespoon of corn oil was he? That would be blatently false advertising and therefore maybe some form of fraud (unless it was true and then I’d have three) but an opinion is… Well an opinion and a free society is made of opinions.
    **I am also foul-mouthed but I am witty with it. And I tend to do it just for giggles.
    ***LGB people I have known tend to commence sexual relations later because due to societal pressures the whole coming out thing requires a confidence rare in a teenager. Therefore the bizarre conflation of homosexuals with pedophiles is almost certainly factually very wrong empirically. Theoretically it’s wrong too. Anyway I have never met a gay man who didn’t think George Clooney “dishy”. That hardly implies pedophilia. Yeah, that George Clooney – the very wealthy and successful self-possessed movie-star and director who is middle-aged.

  6. CountingCats says:

    Ok, so you deleted the original comment, but you continue with the violent NAZI imagery? After all, regardless of how mild your expression is, are not the references to pink triangles and zyklon B both NAZI and murderously violent in and of themselves? By their very nature? Contrary to everything we are supposed to believe in?

    And that is a giggle?

    Seriously?

    I dare say that Heydrich conducted the Wannsee Conference in the most civilized tone of voice, but the result was still Treblinka. Is that really the company you feel comfortable with keeping?

  7. When the Archbish offers his views on what he thinks marriage is about, fine. When he then goes on to try and impose those views on the lives of others who don’t believe in fairy stories, or even just prefer a different version – and moreover wants to do so by force of law