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I once had a BBQ in the Lake District and the caravan I was staying at had a badger so… Well as I had done before put out food for the badger that toured the area (badgers are Britain’s largest remaining carnivore – apart from me and you – since the extinction of wolves – which are kinda cool when they aren’t chewing on your femur).

There seems to be afoot a half-arsed attempt in terms of highly (and I mean highly dubious “science”) a badger-cull (science an astrrophysicist would regard as complete and utter bollocks) that is both wrong morally, ecologically, scientifically and poiintless. So, badgers….

I know that is at best annoying. At worst dreadful. We can use these Turing machines for all sorts of things.

I asked about the badger cull. These machines make this easy. You ask too. You can. However rich or poor you are you have more bits of power warming your sexual area to read the news-feeds than any great sultan of yore. The sort who considered an abacus SofTA. I think that is even old fashioned.

If you object to the badger cull you can do something about it. You can know how. Upon your lap you have an organ of generation more powerful than any penis or vagina of the greatest potentate of yore. And it probably was bought knock-down at Walmart or Target or Currys.

We can change things without politics as previously seen.

Or not. Your call, your laptop.

I honestly don’t know if this cull is a good idea but I am convinced enough it is wrong (and I tend to be conservative on such matters) that it is (and this is not the only reason) that if my wife goes to peacefully, lawfully, to disrupt a cull I’ll be there. The “science” seems iffy at best so let’s call it. There is physics, the discipline of Newton, Maxwell, Einstein… which is about the most profound insights into the Universe, and there is chemistry which is dull but useful and then there is this sort of drivel. It isn’t even biology (which is both fascinating – increasingly so- and useful – increaiingly so- unless you want to be a Timelord). What the fuck is “Agricultural Science”. It’s a numpty science at best.

PS I put out a corn-cob after having eaten the corn. The badger or some fucking thing ate the cob. It wasn’t me in my pants crawling on the gravel and strangling foxes. I think I was watching a DVD at the time. Look what happens in rural areas stays there.

PPS As I suggested about the ‘net, you can find out too. You can decide and you can act or not. You can do it. Or not. Your choice.


  1. Single Acts of Tyranny says:

    Would you do this on private land, owned by the same person who thought he was protecting his cattle?

    If you were successful and stopped the cull and he (the farmer) could demonstrate by some microbiological method that his cattle had died from bovine TB picked up from the reprieved badgers, would you accept financial liability?

    I don’t mean this to be a cross-examination so apologies if it seems like one, but I am interested in the thought process. Again, sorry of the questioning seems hostile, not intended.

  2. Robert the Biker says:

    You want to watch out if you do this; not so much for the farmers as the animal rights nutters who would dearly love some cannon fodder to get killed or injured for the ‘noble cause’.
    You stay real frosty around those bastards.

  3. RAB says:

    I have a lot of Farmer relations. Some of which are Dairy Farmers. They think this cull is justified. I have no idea (I have only seen one Badger in my life in the wild) whether they are right or wrong, but their living is at stake, and I’m sure they’ve done their homework. They are not cruel and greedy people for the sake of it, far from it in fact.

  4. NickM says:

    RtB, I’m liquid helium frosty.

    Anyhoo, do libertarians really support a government funded scheme to tackle a problem based on shonky science? I mean really? And I’m not trying to pull rank on the agriculturalists but fuck me a background in maths, physics and astrophysics gives you an appreciation of getting the fucker down to so many decimal places these numpties would weep.

    Rutherford said science consisted of “physics and stamp collecting”. He was nearly right. It’s physics and making shit up. Physics is down. Much of the rest is lobbying and getting neat sinecures. The more a science diverts from the purity of physics the more it becomes complicated (like climatology) and the more it can and will be driven by political agendas like the desperate need to “do something”. Do you not see how almost everything gubbermunt does is driven by the need to be seen to be tackling a problem by whatever expedient seems useful and doable whether right or wrong (they can always phoney up the stats later*).

    I’m not arguing for a reign of physicists (presumably coming down at 9.81m/s/s. Quite the reverse. Science gets too much of a role in deciding things. Often things it is not qualified to do. It might get there in these complicated fields at some point but it ain’t there yet. Gubbermunt wants you to know it is. Gubbermunts drained the Aral Sea on the basis of “science”. Islam regards the interpretation of the Hadith as a science and Mystic Mog can tell you on the basis of her tea leaves if you will meet a tall dark handsome stranger.

    Fuck that! When the Voyager hit Jupiter sling-shot the JPL was out by one metre. That is rigour. It is now approaching the heliopause and still going.

    *You can do almost anything with stats.

  5. I can’t find it now, but I recall a study that seemed to show incidence of high levels of bovine TB in areas without large badger numbers. Also other suggestions that Cattle were transmitting TB to badgers, not the other way around.


  6. I can’t find it now, but I recall a study that seemed to show incidence of high levels of bovine TB in areas without large badger numbers. Also other suggestions that Cattle were transmitting TB to badgers, not the other way around.

    The science is dubious to say the least. The policy is barking mad and probably undeliverable. What’s next – a badger version of myxomatosis (sp?). We know how well that worked out…

  7. Robert Edwards says:

    The controversy regarding badger culling has been going on since before the war. It was, and remains controversial, for the same reasons as outlined by Nick above.

    There is a bizarre mismatch here. Foxes (which are proven vermin to human endeavour) are ‘protected’ and have thus overbred out of control, to the incalculable detriment of their own population. Badgers (which are not proved to be similar) are now subject to an agrarian ‘endlosung’ on the basis of science which is at best speculative.

    DEFRA (like its precursor the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries) are two cheeks of the same arse; hapless and incompetent civil sevants advised from the sidelines by scientific ‘experts’, who cannot seem to find the wit to develop a workable vaccine.

    Now, where have we seen this before? Ah, yes; Trofim Lysenko in the Soviet Union…

    See also “Global Warming…”

  8. Lynne says:

    I’m wondering how on earth they are going to capture every last badger and innoculate it. Cows are caught more easily being penned in fields. Wouldn’t it be easier to develop an anti-TB serum for them?

  9. Robert Edwards says:

    Sorry, I had assumed that it was fairly obvious that the cows would be the recipients of the vaccine…

  10. Bill says:

    Defra bailed out of the foot and mouth crisis by an alomost retired officer and a few TA soldiers. I live in Cumbria and experienced the total lack of competence on the part of Defra. Scared shitless when presented with a decision to make.
    Seriously culling Defra would be more effective than culling badgers. At least with the civil servants gone real science could take a look at the bovine tb problem and figure out what the real cause of the problem is.

  11. Captain Fatty says:

    The reluctance to immunise cattle against TB is the fear that it might render them (and/or milk) unfit for human consumption.


  12. Robert Edwards says:

    @ Bill. The actions of these thugs terrorized whole tracts of the countryside. A chum down here (Somerset) had to hide her (unaffected) rare breed sheep in her house to keep them from being killed. The conduct of the whole ‘apparat’ was completely Soviet.

    @ Capatain Fatty. I am aware that this is a risk, but surely worth rathe more effort?

  13. NickM says:

    Not true. I temped for Defra at the time. We were brought in because the usual civil servants were dealing with the F&M paperwork. I have a visceral hatred of Defra. Incompetent doesn’t even start to do them justice. They couldn’t get a fuck in a monkey whore-house with a truck-load of bananas. And corrupt, lazy and venal beyond belief begins to covers it.

  14. Captain Fatty says:


    Certainly. I’d rather immunize the animals we eat rather than kill animals we don’t eat in order to kill the animals we do eat. It’s all one hell of a mess though isn’t it?


  15. As I understand it, current tests are unable to distinguish between immunised cattle and cattle which actually have TB. There is actually a vaccine for badgers too and some farmers are testing out trapping and administering it. Presumably as with humans, if you get enough, then herd immunity will kick in.

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