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Barack Obama is pretty much worthless as President, but there are people who find him charismatic, and continue electing him on that basis alone.

He likes power, whether he knows what to do with it or not – and he doesn’t have a clue – so is he just going to walk away from it in 2016? After all, he still has much to do, not every place is Chicago yet.

Three times now I have seen suggestions Michelle may stand in his place. Will she? If she does, how much of a proxy would she be?


  1. Mike says:

    I think she’s more evil than he by an order of magnitude. And I think she’ll have a fair shot at getting in, too. Oprah pulls a lot of votes.

  2. Single Acts of Tyranny says:

    I find it beyond satire that anyone would consider a wholly inexperienced women with no real achievements in life for such a position because of who she is married to.

    That said Cats, you could be right.

  3. NickM says:

    Not a chance. I think the USA has had it with pol dynasties. It’s just too obvious… Anyway (to partially disagree with myself) Hilary will have a crack in 2016. I don’t think she’ll even get the nomination but Chelsea in 2020/2024 I can see.

  4. CountingCats says:

    The machine will have complete control of the Dems by 2016. Vast sums will have been siphoned off and be available to buy influence. I don’t think Hilary supporters, or anyone else, will be able to handle the level of intimidation her opponents will be able to bring to bear.

    Think of the billions the Auto Workers made after Barry gifted them General Motors….

  5. Single Acts of Tyranny says:

    Sadly political dynasties are all too real in the US and elsewhere, consider George HW Bush & George W Bush, Bill & Hilary (my personal bete noir), Mario Cuomo and Andrew, the Kennedys, Al Gore and his senator dad and many, many more.

    I really can’t see Hilary running. She was too old when she lost to Barak first time around. She would be I think 69 when seeking the nomination.

  6. MickC says:

    The entire point of Obama is that he won’t do anything-and therefore won’t do anything damaging (on the world stage at least).

    The last thing the world needs is an “active” US President like Dubya. Thank God Barry won.

  7. Thornavis says:


    That would be the big danger if Hilary became Pres, as it is she seems to be all in favour of doing something about Syria and Obama may let her have her way.

  8. Paul Marks says:

    Even among libertarians there is a lack of understanding of just how bad things are – perhaps masked by fairly “good” unemployment figures and so on.

    I have given up, for the moment, trying to explain these matters.

    So I will simply say the following…….

    Wait and see – then you will understand how bad things are (both in the United States and internationally).

    One problem that does NOT exist is who is going to be elected President of the United States of America in November 2016.

    Should things still be functioning at that time (not widly likely) anybody the Republicans put up will be elected.

    However, getting to November 2016, in a state in which free elections can still be held, is deeply problematic.

    Detroit is the future.

  9. Single Acts of Tyranny says:

    I see what paul marks is saying. If interest rates got to 13% (they were 15% in the early eighties) the interest payment on the US debt would consume their entire tax take. so they cannot raise interest rates evenifthey should. so look for inflation if they don’t raise ratesand inflation they do as they have to. keep monetizing debt. as soon as the velocity of money picks up, look out.

  10. Paul Marks says:

    In part yes.

    But it may happen some other way.

    I watched the Detroit Council meet yesterday.

    I was not there – I watched them via the wonders of modern technology.

    All these clueless scum could think of was that God-Emperor Barack would save them.

    Their poxed excuse for a city (which once had the HIGHEST living standards of any American city) being reduced to a bankrupt shell of a few hundred thousand people.

    Comrade Barack owned them you see – because they had voted for him.

    Now they wanted their free stuff.

    And these were the “leaders of the community”.

    And the United States is going to be just like this – soon enough.

    Films such as “2016” (not shown in the U.K. – and not shown in many parts of the United States) are underestimates of the horror that is to come.

    Still there is going to be real entitlement scheme reform – the Economist magazine says so (yet again).

    And the enlightened establishment are never wrong.

    The Dems (such as those interesting people in Detroit) are interested in rolling back the state.

    There is going to be peace with Islam – if only something can be done about those pesky Jews in Jerusalem (with their out of date ideas,that do not fit with the “international community).

    And the European Union is a good idea – people who want to get out of it are silly reactionaries.

    And all that was just from this week’s edition.

    They are so utterly wrong (about everything) that they fascinate me.

    Oh yes….

    The United States (with yet more good employment figures today) is going to be a horror story.

    A total horror story.

    But so is much else going to be.

    One reason I am going to go to the heart of the storm.

    Where else should a man go?

    Even a pathetic excuse for a man – such as me.

  11. LJH says:

    If Michelle succeeds, she will be the first black American president. Obama is but a pale ersatz creature who only invented a black identity for expediency when he was a graduate student. His childhood in Indonesia and privileged private school background in Hawaii, have nothing to do with the black American experience with not a slave anywhere in his family tree.

  12. CountingCats says:

    Yet another who believes being black isn’t about skin colour?

  13. LJH says:

    Black American is about a culture with roots in the experience of slavery, about communities in mainland America, their resources and restrictions, not about growing up the darkest kid in a white middle class family living on an island. There are a lot of Polynesians in Hawaii darker than Barry O, if skin colour is important to you. His autobiography has been fisked: he became an Afro-American when he saw it was politically expedient. Michelle is the real deal.

  14. Mr Ed says:

    The problem that I see is that the worse that the economy gets, the more it makes short-term sense as a rent-seeker to rely on the State. The options for private sector work shrink as the State grows, so the impetus to become a State client in some way grows.

    Is it any more useful to reason with people who live off the State that that is destructive than it iwould be, were it possible, to argue with cancer cells that their seizing resources from their fellow cells and proliferting as they do will ultimately kill their host and them with it. Socialists do not, will not, and perhaps cannot, reason. Ever wondered why they chant or blow whistles so often on their demos? Is it fear that they might otherwise think, and a flicker of reason might intrude on their tinder-box minds, whether from outside or in, with unpredictable consequences?

  15. Lynne says:

    I wonder if The One will pull a “Morsi” and try and give himself a third term…?

  16. Paul Marks says:

    Mr Ed.

    People can rise above their short term interests – if an honest appeal is made to them.

    Mr Harris made that appeal in Ontario – and some people working for the government (or on benefits) voted for them, even though he was going to cut government spending.

    Indeed they voted for him BECAUSE he was going to cut government spending – because he presented them the alternative (in clear terms).

    Bankrupcty and collapse.

    “Mitt” Romney was never the sort of person to present hard choices – and take big risks.

    At this stage of “the game” to fail to risk (risk everything) is to accept certain defeat.

  17. Write here says:

    I’m with Lynne here. It is not inconceivable that the machine will say that the job is unfinished, that these are difficult times that need a steady hand on the tiller, that Obamacare or whatever is in a critical stage.

    As Obama has largely walked over the constitution so far then why not go for three-in-a-row? The increasing number of state dependents in the US won’t raise any objection to him (having been told the Dems are the only way to ensure they continue to get food stamps and free stuff) and the opposition is fractured.

    The Repubs have learned that putting forward a logical argument about the national financial situation is no guarantee of winning. All the zillions of people who want free stuff don’t give a shit about the state of the economy; it’s all about what’s in it for them.

    If in doubt, import more of them.

    Obama’s admin will want to keep power and if the Won stands again in his bid for a threepeat it will be against a token opposition –– evidence is that the military is already being trimmed and key generals, etc, moved out of the way and who will emerge from the conservative side?

    if Moochelle goes for the crown she will have a huge backing, perhaps more than Billary could muster. Guaranteed the MSM won’t say much.

    Dark days for America perhaps.

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