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Hoist upon one’s own…

A man who has been jailed for raping a woman is waiting to find out whether he has contracted HIV from her.

Richard Thomas was sentenced to five years and four months after admitting raping the woman at her home in Leigh, Greater Manchester.

He knew she was ill but did not know she had HIV and collapsed when police told him, Liverpool Crown Court heard.

Words fail. Raping someone you know to be ill is about the definition of “despicable”.

The sentence does seem insufficient. But the dying swan act must have been an hilarity for the coppers. As to the perp, well I could well play a concerto on this instrument.


  1. John Galt says:

    Unfortunately for this raping bastard, the likelihood of HIV transmission from female-to-male during vaginal intercourse from a single encounter is around about half-of-one percent.

    Equally, a course of treatment commencing immediately after exposure can reduce the chances of HIV taking hold, even if HIV has been transmitted.

    Lets just hope the other inmates find out and cut it off as a precaution. :-)

  2. I hope they wait a year to give him his results.

  3. Mr Ed says:

    The ungallant evil-doer:

    Let’s hope his ‘luck’ is in.

    It all strikes me as very modern Mancunian, 60 years ago an engineering powerhouse, now look at it.

  4. NickM says:

    JG, I know the stats. My point was as to his horror.

    Well Mr Ed, I quite like Mancland. I have lived their long enough. To the extent that Manchester has declined is much the same as the decline of Newcastle, Leeds, Bristol, Brum etc.

    Try this Mr Ed.

    That is the city of my birth. It boasts the second largest private library, two fine Universities, a dreadful football team that for my sins I follow. It was a crucible of the industrial revolution and John Betjemin called Grey St “The most imposing facade in Europe. But it is now known for “Geordie Shore” where knickerless slags and pimped on steroids geezers collapse nekkid after meaningless sex. I once saw an episode where this lass, whilst crawling towards the toilet to vomet after a debauch simultaneosuly pissed herself and farted.

    Great! Magic! The city of Charles Parsons and William Armstrong reduced to that?


    There is a reason I am typing this on a Lenovo.

  5. RAB says:

    I’ll have you know that Bristol has been on the up and up ever since I arrived :-)

  6. John Galt says:

    RAB – Remember the saying “Correlation does not imply causation”.

    Bristol is quite nice actually.

  7. “He had let himself into her Leigh home, uninvited, in the middle of the night…”

    So…he had a key? This surely isn’t the place where you don’t lock your doors at night!

  8. Lynne says:

    It’s a million to once chance but he might just contract HIV.

    See what I did there?

  9. NickM says:

    Lynne you must know by now that Kitty Kounters know Pratchett backwards ;-)

  10. PeterT says:

    Sorry to be a bore but surely the court imposed punishment of loss of freedom should be enough to keep us ‘happy’. Don’t particulary want to join the Daily Mail crowd do we?

  11. John Galt says:

    PeterT – Not really, but Counting Cats is also not a platform for condoning rapists either.

    If this sexual predator does contract HIV or suffers sleepless nights worrying that he has, this appears a fitting additional punishment, a punishment of his own making, on top of the prison sentence handed down by the court.

    HIV tests are often inconclusive during the early stages of infection as this rapist will have been warned, so he might have to wait up to 6-months for a conclusive all clear.

  12. Lynne says:

    PeterT. Incarcerating rapists isn’t designed to keep people happy. It’s designed to keep people safe. And if this particular rapist has contracted something really nasty after he attacked his victim I’m not going to shed any tears, other than those of laughter at the sheer irony of his predicament.

  13. RAB says:

    Well he may or may not get HIV, but he’s certain to get MTV, It’s ‘is uman rights innit?

  14. NickM says:

    Well, I’m with Lynne and JG. Jailing sexual predators is not about pleasing the Daily Mailsters. It is about placing vile excuses of human beings away from their prey.which PeterT means you, me, our wives and children.

    Alas I have to pay for MTV via Sky. I’d give the bar-steward continual BBC3 which is epic wank that can’t even get onto BBC2.Is that a human rights issue and if so can I sue the gubbermunt for my Sky bill? I ask a legal mind. I kinda thought human rights was not being tortured ,murdered or raped which brings us back to the original point – that if this vile gentleman gets a life threatening disease as an adjunct to his vile crime then ha-de-bleeding-ha! And for once the punishment fits the crime exactly.

    A further point – as to keys. I hold the keys of my next door neighbour. Now why do I have these? Not because I am a git but so I can look after her gaffe when she’s away (it’s a reciprocal agreement). I’d go round to feed the rabbit and my neighbour (or her daughter) would feed our cat. And you know check the boiler wasn’t exploding or the plumbing had gone mental. It is how civilized folks work. We trust each other.

    I once lost the rabbit. I was there for hours finding him. On my hands and knees. The very idea of using my key privileges to rape never occurred to me. I was simply mortified that I had lost a beloved pet. And it was hours until the bunny turned up and I couldn’t get the TV to work.So I just sat there waiting for a rabbit.

  15. Mr Ed says:

    A handy guide to where to find concentrations of non-working adults in the UK. Glasgow is tops.

    The report suggests that the answer might be paying higher wages, but for whom is this a problem? The rapist, Richard Thomas, will still get benefits on release.

  16. Tim Newman says:

    I know a bit about HIV tests, having fucking failed one last week. I need to do one every year, and this one came back as “indeterminate”.

    “What the fuck does that mean?” I asked, sphincter contracting and dilating rapidly.

    “Oh, nothing to worry about,” says Doc cheerfully “this sometimes happens, about once a year.”

    “Once a year? WTF?”

    “Ah, but this usually happens to some kind of people. Have you ever had an HIV test before?”

    “About 15-20 of them.” (You need them for visas plus again for the annual medicals.)

    “And this has never happened before?”


    “Oh” says the Doc, not so confidently, “Well never mind, just wait 3 weeks and we’ll do another test.”

    “Fuck that” thinks I. Did another one that day, waited 24 hours for the results, sweating profusely. Came back negative, thank fuck.

    During that 24 hours I was reading up on everything the internet had to say about it. The chances of me actually having caught HIV were practically zero, and the further chances of the test coming up as indeterminate rather than positive if I had were about the same. Still, a pretty miserable 24 hours.

    In the first 2-3 weeks of contracting HIV, a test will either show up as negative or indeterminate. Indeterminate means the ELISA test showed positive, then the Western Blot test – which they do for all positive ELISAs – shows 1-4 of the 5 bars of proteins which confirms the presence of HIV. An indeterminate result can often mean you are seroconverting and in a few weeks a retest will show you’re positive. In my case, fuck knows why, it just came back as indeterminate for other reasons, either because I had contracted some other sort of virus shortly before the test, or the lab had fucked up.

    The stress was reduced considerable whilst waiting for the results when I examined the statistics and likelihood of contracting HIV. Unless you’re sharing needles or taking it up the arse from random stangers on a regular basis, the chances of you contracting HIV from a one-off encounter, even with somebody riddled with it, are very slight.

    Still, a pretty unpleasant experience.

  17. Lynne says:

    Thankfully you got the all-clear. I don’t care so much about the rapist and even if he, too, gets the all-clear I hope he’s put through hell over the results.

  18. NickM says:

    Sorry to hear about that Tim.

    I have a similar experience. I have had blood tests for various things and the frequency to which the NHS manages to fuck ‘em up is stunning. Nothing mind as serious as HIV but just frustrating. Kind of along the lines and sitting in the Dr’s surgery and thinking it was like Fred Carno’s fucking circus. So my guess is they probably fucked-up – it happens disturbingly often.

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