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Time to frighten the Horses…

And as we already know, they are already spooked and pooping incontinently all over the Media in a desperate attempt to Drive Old UKIP down. Allegedly the Tory party backroom wonks have done a deal with the Guardian to provide them with scurrilous material on UKIP candidates for both the EU elections and the Local Council ones. What the Tories work with the Guardian… The enemy? Surely not? Oh you betcha!

It’s not just the Guardian though, the whole of the British media has suddenly woken up to the fact that there’s a new game in town, that might just challenge the cosy hegemony  of our current rulers. A party who are actually listening to the views of voters, not condescendingly browbeating them into submission with their Elitist nanny knows best policies.  From the BBC, the Independent to the Mirror and the Sun, even to the Express and the Mail, the boots are stamping on the faces of UKIP candidates that the rest of us have never heard of. I doubt Nigel Farage has heard of half of them.

But then how many of their own candidates do you think the mainstream parties have much knowledge of either. Mr Ed, the Marxist talking horses arse, certainly doesn’t . And he doesn’t seem to live in the same world as the rest of us either.

I won’t bore you by going on about that potato faced twat and PR man, iDave, who is trying to pull the same dishonest trick Harold Wilson did back in the 70’s, by trying to pretend that he can re-negotiate our terms with the EU, because he can’t, and they just won’t give back one iota of power that we have ceded to them. He will pretend (as Wilson did… and Chamberlin in 1939) that he has a cast iron agreement on this piece of paper  wot he has in his hand, and so now we can all vote to stay in, yay! He’s a lying piece of cuntulating shite!

As for the Boy Clegg… well I fear he is heading for the rubber room faster than Gordon Brown and Teflon Tony. He is a creature of the EU, bought and paid for twice over, and he and his party will be going back to holding their Party Conference in a phone booth very soon now.

So what I am saying is…. all of us with UK votes on Thursday , vote UKIP. Are they flakey? Sure! but are they venal dishonest little shits like the rest certainly are? Well some of them possibly. Politics attracts certain personality types, as do the Police and Social Workers, and as Norman Stanley Fletcher once remarked in Porridge, when a tin of his Pineapple chunks went missing… There’s a distinct criminal element in this Nick you know…

Will voting UKIP make any difference? Well in the short term no. They have no UK Parliamentary seats and are unlikely to get many given the implacable  Media opposition they face from every wing of the political spectrum. But I am happy for them to be the major UK party in Brussels and set about smashing up the Gangster Protection Racket that it is from the inside. Let them spend their salary and expenses how they wish, and not vote for anything at all or vote against everything under the sun, because I want out of the EU before the inevitable United States Of Europe is announced by some unelected kleptocrat flunky who calls himself a President, in some time in the not to distant future.

I want my country back. However bad the decisions made by our Parliament, they will be our decisions made by our people for our people, not some distant unelected self chosen Elite with stars in their eyes about new Empires. The EU are a bunch of gangsters.  And do link to Prof Anderson’s rather long article. He may be a very Leftist Historian, but he’s on the money with Europe.

And UKIP really are beginning to scare the horses…

29 Comments

  1. NickM says:

    I am voting for what I really care for. I am voting Pirate.

  2. RAB says:

    Thanks for the info John, I had no idea what Nick was talking about before that. But thereby hangs the rub, I still don’t know what the Pirate Party stand for, even after visiting their website. It is two days to go before an election and they have no profile or press at all. They will not trouble slumbering donkeys even, will they?

  3. NickM says:

    RAB,
    I don’t care what they stand for. I care what they stand against.

  4. RAB says:

    I don’t know what they stand against either, that’s the problem. Preferably everything I do. But generally speaking I’m not against things, unless they are malevolent.

    The only Pirates I ever knew were these… Good blokes all. I used to play golf with them.

  5. Sam Duncan says:

    Which part, Nick? “Securing the NHS for our future”, not supporting charges for access to healthcare? Raising the 18-20 minimum wage to the full adult level? Abolishing tuition fees?

    Sorry. I’m cherry-picking, I know. Some of UKIP’s policies would hardly pass muster around here either. And I’m all for the Pirates’ original raison d’etre, all for it. But they strike me as the sort of people who blamed the crash on big business while ignoring the role of government money: they see the symptoms, but fail to properly diagnose the disease. They’re as deluded about the nature of the EU as the Tories. “No EU member state should be required to join the Euro”… but it’s in the treaty; there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it. Speaking of which, “We will rebalance power within the EU toward elected representatives and away from the Council of Ministers and Commission”. No, I’m afraid you won’t. Taking power from elected representatives and giving it to the Commission is what the Pan-European Project was designed to do, way back in the 1920s. It’s written into its very DNA, the consolidated treaties. Undoing that is more than is in the power of mere MEPs to achieve.

    So thanks, Pirates – seriously; you’re spot-on about IP and all that stuff – but no thanks. The EU is the biggest issue facing this country right now – as Booker is wont to call it, the elephant in the room – and UKIP is the only party that even begins to understand the problem. Reform is simply not an option. We must get out.

  6. Roue le Jour says:

    Good post, RAB. My horses are terrified.

  7. Jobrag says:

    “I want my country back”. Sorry but in a global economy and interconnected world unless you want to be like North Korea you have to accept some loss of sovereignty.

  8. Mr Ed says:

    Jobrag,

    Really? How does losing sovereignty make for a better economy? How does imposing the EU acquis of legislation not make your country closer to North Korea rather than more like Singapore?

  9. Mr Ed says:

    I have found that the ‘smear UKIP’ meme is popular with Arts graduate types who seem to regard UKIP as the BNP with blazers and these are people for whom there is no need to consider UKIP’s message, it is enough that Mr Farage is ridiculed in the media on a scale beyond even what Michael Foot faced in 1983.

    It is an unfortunate truth that there is a significant proportion of the population in the UK who are actively hostile, not merely indifferent, to the very notion of freedom and of the political survival of the nation.

  10. Kevin B says:

    I don’t mind people voting Pirate, and if you’re a socialist by all means vote SWP. And if your tastes run to National Socialism rather than the International kind, vote BNP. Vote Monster Raving Loony party, vote Independant, vote anything but Lib/Lab/Con. Or Green. FFS don’t vote for the anti-human, eugenics party.

    I will be voting UKIP, not because I believe they will make a difference in the european parliament, they won’t. But because it will kick the self-selected, self-styled, self-abusing elite right in the goolies, and the more people vote against them, the more it will hurt.

    Sadly, I don’t see it making the slightest difference to the decline and fall of this country. We will continue to sink into decadence and meaninglessness because that’s what most of us want, and true individual liberty will be a forgotten concept confined to some small corner of the web that is well hemmed in by parental guidance. (The parents in this case being your friendly government.)

    Either that, or we’ll wake up one Friday morning and find ourselves getting ready for a trip to the mosque.

    But one last tantrum. One last “Up yours” to the bastards who are destroying us, oh so slowly and gently, but destroying us all the same. Surely we can manage that. ‘Cos if we can’t….

  11. Jobrag says:

    MR Ed.
    If we want to continue to trade with Europe you’ll have to adopt EU standards, whether you are in or out, most of the “laws” that UKIP object to are in fact regulations regarding food additives, transport of live animals etc. in fact many of the EU regulations are cut and paste versions of ISO standards, you can’t just shrug them off if you want to be part of a world economy.

  12. John Galt says:

    If we want to continue to trade with Europe you’ll have to adopt EU standards, whether you are in or out

    Fair enough, but there are other non-EU members who are perfectly able to trade with EU members as part of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) without having 75% of their laws governed by Brussels.

    European Free Trade Association

    What private companies choose to do in order to trade with a 3rd party in another country is not a matter which governments should be involved with, except where such impositions are effective trade barriers.

    Why should Britain have to constantly battle with the EU over social, immigration and welfare policies which have bugger all to do with trade?

  13. Mr Ed says:

    Jobrag,

    I don’t think that UKIP are saying that they don’t want to trade with Europe or the rest of the world, and if anyone does want to trade with someone else in Europe, they would be free to do so, by manufacturing in compliance with EU regulations on a voluntary basis. Those who wish to manufacture for the domestic or non-EU markets would find themselves free to do so (I would hope). And if Europe wishes to impose retaliatory tariffs, they would make their citizens poorer too. Would the German government wish to put German companies’ car exports to the UK at risk of retaliatory measures, even if only threatened? If the UK leaves, the EU is diminished and it is also going to need to allow trade between people in the UK and the EU, or else harm both.

    Before WW2, the bulk of the UK’s pork came from Denmark, no EU or EEC then, just simple trade. Countries don’t import things, people import things into countries to sell to other people in those countries.

    If the UK left the EU, no one need do anything other than comply with EU regulations if they wish to trade with someone in the EU. Heck, we might even be able to import decent lightbulbs if we left the EU.

    I have been to Barbados recently, a country where the politicians address each other in Parliament in very courteous terms in the main, and where 2/3rd of government revenue comes from import duties and indirect taxes. They were earnestly addressing the issue of their lack of revenue and shortage of foreign exchange. They seemed to think that the solution was rationing foreign currency and imposing import duties, but all that does is raise the cost of goods and make the citizens poorer. A box of Alpen breakfast cereal cost around £5, most of it import duties, just lowering local living standards. You cannot protect your economy with tariffs, you only impoverish your own people at the expense of a few who gain from the privilege by receiving the benefit of the tariff, either with an effective price point monopoly or the money raised by the tariff.

    Voting Pirate is truly juvenile, when there is the prospect of some political change, a sign of the infantilisation of politics where protest is diverted to harmless, useless alternatives and those who vote for such persuade themselves that they are making a point. They are, but it is that they accept the status quo but don’t like it.

  14. Jobrag says:

    Mr Ed
    Manufacturing your products to two different standards, that’s going to be really efficient. I could well see Renault, Citroen and Fiat being more than happy to see Nissan and Toyota squeezed out of the EU markets at the cost of losing share in the UK, that’s the trouble with bailing out.
    One of the disadvantages of being out of course is you have no influence on the rules and regulations that you have to work to if you want to sell into the bloc.

  15. John Galt says:

    Voting Pirate is truly juvenile

    No. It is a legitimate form of protest against the mainstream parties refusal to deal with these issues. If someone dislikes UKIP so much that they are unable to vote for them even with the proverbial “clothes peg clipped to their nose”, then I would much rather they voted for another protest party than vote for the LibLabCon EU apologists or not vote at all.

    If there were a way of choosing “None of the above”, then I’m sure that would be pretty popular too.

    Given the nature of European elections and the comparative weakness of the European parliament, actively voting against the mainstream parties is as strong a measure as can be managed without significant consequence.

    During UK General elections, matters are more complicated due to the first-past-the-post system, which effectively sets a bar too high for UKIP to reach at the present time.

    For myself, as an ex-pat I am not part of the demos in this election, but if I were then I would probably choose either UKIP or the Pirate Party on the basis of the above.

  16. The campaign of disinformation and agitprop against UKIP in the media (for example in the newspapers, such as the Evening Standard, owned by the “ex” KGB man) has been the most intense I have ever seen.

    Whether this campaign has succeeded or backfired I simply do not know – we will find out in a few days.

    I do think that UKIP made a mistake by concentrating on immigration (rather than other matters) – butt that does not justify the campaign of lies against them.

    As for Kettering – we are fortunate to have a Member of Parliament who is firmly against the EU, this is also the position of most people in Kettering and most members of the Conservative Association, but there may be a small (but dangerous) group of mischief makers who are plotting against the Member of Parliament.

  17. umbongo says:

    You’ll notice – in London anyway – that the Electoral Commission has done its best for the political class. It has allowed two false-flag, ostensibly anti-EU, “parties” to be put at the top of the ballot paper: UP EPP (4 Freedoms Party) and An Independence from Europe (UK Indepence Now). I suspect that some tens if not hundreds of thousands of votes will be lost to UKIP nationally through this subterfuge.

  18. Mr Ed says:

    Jobrag, Do we want ‘influence’ ? Presumably every state in the EU has some influence, but to what end? I take a more optimistic view, there is a UK market of 60m people to sell to, and to buy from. If the EU wants a slice of that ‘pie’ (to think in aggregates) then it had better be nice about it.

    What if EU manufacturers want to sell to us, it’s easy, make something that we will buy. The EU shall contract as a market unless it dramatically liberalises its economy, and why should not the UK have some form of trade deal with the EU but on its own terms.

    As for efficiencies, well, the only test is to see if you can manufacture more efficiently by working to various standards for various export and domestic markets around the world, and if Nissan, Toyota and Honda want to run two models off in their plants, it may be more efficient to do so if the relative markets can be made profitable, but there are too many unknowns.

    There would also be the other benefits, such as the unrestricted ability to deport convicted foreign rapists etc. rather than let their rights to a family life prevail, come the end of their sentences, which is beyond price and the protection of the Common Law.

    Staying in the EU is like joining an asthmatic running club, where even if you can breathe normally, you have to irritate your lungs to avoid standing out.

  19. umbongo says:

    That should be UK EPP of course (not UP EPP) which is a pro-EU grouping of Conservatives who consider Cameron not communitaire enough.

  20. Mr Ed says:

    Umbongo, very interesting. The 4 Freedoms Party seems to be set up by a former UKIP member, who has appeared from what seems to be nowhere yet with the means to run a campaign, rather like the ‘from nowhere’ other candidate in the 2010 Buckingham Parliamentary election who ran against Mr Farage and the incumbent Speaker Mr Bercow, who actually got more votes than Mr Farage.

    One look at the boss of the Electoral Commission told me all that I needed to know about it.

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/our-work/who-we-are/the-commissioners

  21. RAB says:

    Duplicitous bastards, no let’s get this straight… utter lying fucks, are our politicians. Especially the Boy Clegg, whose current mental health should be a concern to everyone, considering he is Deputy Prime Minister. He who swears that only 7% of our Laws are EU generated, when a senior female EU commissioner has boasted that it is 75% (one is too many). He who says that 3 million British jobs depend on us belonging to the EU (note the belonging) and yet nobody, no interviewer or opposition ever comes back at him and says… yeah? so what? Do you think those 3 million will be unemployed if we leave the EU? Do you think that we will not be allowed to trade with them and them with us? The balance of trade is thus that the EU sells more stuff to us than we sell to them. It would be an exercise in cutting off noses to spite faces of catastrophic proportions for them if they picked up their “Common Market” ball and flounced off in a huff, wouldn’t it?

    Two of the most prosperous countries in Europe are Norway and Switzerland. They happily trade and prosper with the EU, without being members of it. Like them we would be happy to trade with, but not ruled by, the EU.

    Besides “The Project” never was about Economics and Commerce. From its very inception it has always been about forming a United States of Europe. That has always been the grand plan that dare not speak its name. The destruction of individual Nation states until we are all absorbed into the body of the Borg. They don’t care if the commerce works or doesn’t (in fact it doesn’t the EU’s share of world trade has plummeted from 35% to 19%) all that matters is the Dream… And a very 19th century dream it is too.

  22. NickM says:

    No, it isn’t “juvenile” to vote pirate. They have a point I care about. So they are essentially single issue but in many ways so is UKIP. And Paul is absolutely right that UKIP wittering on about immigration is lousy tactics. And frankly I don’t really care about immigration. The argument always raised is jobs and that implies the ludicrous idea that jobs a zero-sum game. They are not. Every Polish plumber or Czech sparks who comes here doesn’t “steal” a job, they create ones because they are going to buy goods and services.

  23. NickM says:

    Um, actually Norway does implement most EU legislation. All EEA EFTA states are obliged to implement all EU legislation relevant to the functioning of the internal market. It’s also an associated member of Schengen and has set aside 804 million euros of funding for new EU members in this funding period under the Norway Grants scheme.

    That’s why it has such good trading rights with the rest of the EU.

    As for Switzerland, have you seen the price of those watches? No wonder they’re minted.

    (I’m not Nick but his missus again. And I have to admit a vested interest in that I sometimes translate for the EU. The most pedantic bunch I’ve worked for outside the Nobel Prize lot and the Norwegian Refugee Council)

  24. Mr Ed says:

    JG
    ‘I would much rather they voted for another protest party than vote for the LibLabCon EU apologists or not vote at all.”

    Well so would I, but in all seriousness, you might as well blow your nose on the ballot paper as vote Pirate, and I am not advocating that as the ballot paper does not belong to the voter and it would represent an unpleasant act and be a potential hazard for the blighters counting.

    What would be nice would be to have the option of a veto rather than a vote, i.e. to vote against a particularly unpleasant party or candidate as an alternative to voting for a candidate or party, so if you loathe, say, the Labour Party as the only political party to have broken the Geneva Convention (1992 General Election, misuse of the Red Cross symbol by approximation in election literature), then you could go and cancel out someone else’s vote for that ‘focus of evil in the modern world’ as Reagan might have put it.

  25. John Galt says:

    Mr Ed – You’re arguing about procedural niceties that will never happen, whereas right now, in the voting booths, people have the ability to protest against EU Hegemony by NOT VOTING FOR EU APOLOGISTS!

    Equally, many who support withdrawal from the EU cannot bring themselves to vote for UKIP whom they perceive as little more than “Golf club bores” or alternately the Euro-sceptic wing of the Tory party.

    A vote for a protest party sends a stronger message than a spoiled ballot and indeed pushing the repulsive Lib/Dems out of the top 3 electoral parties alone is justification enough to vote UKIP, as it reduces their political limelight.

    Personally, I think Nigel Farage is just a opportunist chancer, but I’ve got more in common with him than any senior LibLabCon politician. UKIP might be a single issue party, but its single-issue is the elephant-in-the-room that LibLabCon politicians won’t otherwise address.

    Cameron’s proposals for 2017 are just the same rehashed lies that Wilson trotted out back in the 1970′s.

  26. endivior says:

    ” I sometimes translate for the EU”

    The only time I might have envied you was when some French MEP came out with “Nous avons besoin de la sagesse normande”.

    A sentence that’s far truer in translation than the original.

  27. John Galt says:

    What we need is Norman wisdom?

    Couldn’t agree more Mr Grimsdale

  28. Mr Ed says:

    I note that Saturday’s Times had as its lead story the news that supermarket ‘bosses’ ignore sell-by dates on food, and the local election results were buried on page 7 onwards, which I take as a sign that the editorial staff wished to avoid discussing it. It was a giveaway paper of course, in a hotel lounge, doubtless counted as ‘circulating’ to dozens of people. I give the print media around another 17 months before a major collapse in revenue takes its toll.

    JG I was simply thinking of a way to ‘engage’ voters in general terms, my prescription has been vote UKIP, and yes the party has some odd people in it, but politicised people are odd, many are also evil and must be stopped. UKIP does actually have a lot of sensible policies.

    Of the group of Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and Farage, I would only be happy to lend my car to Mr Farage if it were requisitioned and have any hope that he would respect it, the others would sneer and probably drive it without regard for the owner.

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