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Putting the Hype into Hyperbole

From  north of the border

A teenage girl and 39-year old man who desecrated an Edinburgh mosque by attacking it with strips of bacon have both been jailed.

That’s right.  The evil pair weaponised several rashers of Danepak and attacked a large building, hurting the feelings of the security guard and his friends.  Scary stuff.

Usman Mahmood said: “I was surprised if a person did it for a joke. It is against our culture and religion.

“We do not eat pork or even touch it. I felt very bad seeing this meat in my sacred place.

“It hurt my feelings when I saw this meat hanging inside the mosque in the worshipping area. It was very disturbing.”

Yes, discovering dead meat inside a place of worship is very worrying so let’s put the bacon stunt that injured nothing but outsized sense of victimhood sensibilities into perspective shall we.

Clearly bacon is more of a threat and sheriff Noble was quite right to jail the miscreants for hurting feelings.  Society is a more safer place now that two underclass, brainless cretins who didn’t physically harm or threaten harm to anyone are locked away.  We can all sleep safer in our beds.  I’d hate to wake up one morning to discover someone had wedged a bacon butty in my letterbox.

Then we have this as quoted from the Morning Star; the bastions bastion of unbiased reporting.

Fascist mosque attacks worry British Muslims

And the form of these attacks?

Mosques in London, Bradford and Glasgow have been invaded by Members of far-right Britain First party where they were handing out Christian leaflets and bibles.

Christian leafleting and the handing out of bibles = fascist.  See what they did there?  And to ensure the message is hammered home the article is headed by an image of a bunch of skinheads indulging in a bout of frenzied, synchronised crusader flag waving.

“People are fed up,” Luton Central Mosque president Mohammed Shafait told the Morning Star on Wednesday, June 18.

“He is going around all over the country abusing people.”

I know exactly how he feels.

16 Comments

  1. NickM says:

    Oh, give us a break Lynne! Libertarians believe in private property. That mosque was private property. You do not desecrate religious private property. Dear Gods I recently visited the largest synagogue in Europe – in Amsterdam – and I wore a yarmulke. I have been to mosques and removed my shoes. I have been to cathedrals and didn’t piss in the font. It is respect for private property – simples. Look, if Muslims or anyone else wanna blow themselves up and kill folk then that is a criminal act . Yes, the baconian incident is a ridiculous crime but it is also a hateful one. What are we about here Lynne? Are we really supporting such pointless, nasty, vile crimes? No, it is not the same as murder or anything like that but it is vile as much due to the pointlessness as the offence caused. But I come back to the private property thing. A few years ago a bunch of Neo-Nazis chucked a pig’s head through the doors of a synagogue in England. Is that OK?

    And I have to add. Is Christianity and therefore by your (assumed) extension being contra Islam fundamental to being British? I uttered some cuss-words when England were caned in the World Cup but I’m a principled agnostic (by which I mean the existence of God is a technically meaningless question). Does that make me less British than a Christian? More British than a Muslim? Did you cheer on Mo Farah? I did. Let’s just post him a pack of ham.

    I just don’t get you. That was nasty, threatening behaviour. In the grand scheme not a huge crime but it is not dhimmitude to point out the basic nasty vandalism. As I said, private property.

  2. P says:

    Hi Lynne,

    I don’t get your point on the first part of the story.

    This is obviously an act of vandalism but one that was designed to be highly aggressive through desecrating the private space of a particular religion.

    If anybody walked into a cathedral and very publicly stretched a condom over the head of Jesus on the Cross and scrawled the word “whore” over the forehead of an effigy of virgin Mary, they would probably receive a custodial sentence too. The point of these is to deter others from behaving in a similar way, even though they may appear excessive.

    If you feel deep unease about the presence of these institutions in the UK, then you are not alone, but that is a different debate altogether and quite old.

    I’ve no problem with people getting organised, but is the best approach? To drink six cans of Vitamin T and harf-arsedly bacon-wrap the mosques, risking the Danish embassies all over the middle east going up in smoke (again)?

    P

  3. RAB says:

    I suppose that people with 40 watt bulbs for brains, might think this stunt is an apt response to the Islamic fanatics protest that Lynne links to, but it isn’t, it’s just nasty and pathetic. There are plenty of ways to have a pop at Islam without resorting to crap like this.

    Jailing them seems over the top though, I doubt that the Islamic fanatics got a spell in chokey for it. But then we all know how one sided authorities response to so called Hate crimes are don’t we? They might as well have festooned their local police station in bacon rashers for not doing their job properly. Trouble is the local Plod, especially if they are like Jack Frost, would just have whacked it between two slices of bread and eaten it.

  4. Lynne at Counting Cats says:

    Nick, show me the part where I condone what they did or get off your high horse.

    The post was about hyperbole.

    In case the post was too subtle for you I’ll explain it.

    Firebombing, breaking in and destroying, raking with bullets or artillery fire. That’s attacking. Chucking a few rashers on the floor is brainless, mischief making stupidity. If stupidity is a crime for which the punishment is imprisonment then we are all in trouble. The sentence was excessive particularly when compared to cases where people who commit far worse crimes walk out of court with suspended sentences.

    I’ve had far worse deposited on my drive which, by the way, is also private property. My first reaction is to take a shovel to it. I don’t go running to the police screaming about the injustice of it because you see, I don’t have an agenda to raise the profile of my grievance to the public domain in order to gain sympathy and say “Look at me! Look at how persecuted I am. My feelings are mortally injured because some dog shat on my drive.”

    As for the second example, we have a person describing leafleteers as fascists, cowards and terrorists because said leafleteers think Islam is a problem.

    Hyperbole?

    You betcha.

  5. NickM says:

    OK, I wasn’t arguing that time in chokey was appropriate for this dismal stunt. It is hardly the crime of the century but it is nasty, petty and vile. And as RAB hints it is not the way to tackle Islamism.

    As to the leafleteers that is also dismal. There is no way despite my (lack of belief) I’d go next door tomorrow and shout in a Quaker meeting, “You’re all wasting your time!”. It was a deliberate attempt to provoke by a nasty organisation. On their front page they have a headline above a video, “Britain First Defence Force invades mosques across Luton”. Note the use of the “i” word. I mean Israel and Japan have “Defence Forces”. This is like Dad’s Army run by the wrong ‘uns. “Wot is your name?”. “Don’t tell him Pike?”.

    This is how pogroms start. You don’t go from zero to death camps overnight. It has to build. It takes time. We are aware of this hate now and how it starts so that is maybe why we are hyper sensitive. And no I don’t think jail time is appropriate but as I said we are hyper-sensitized after the last time.

    From Wikipedia…

    “Britain First’s stated aim is to protect “British and Christian morality”,and is “committed to preserving our ancestral ethnic and cultural heritage” while it also “supports the maintenance of the indigenous British people as the demographic majority within our own homeland”, that “Genuine British citizens will be put first in housing, jobs, education, welfare and health”.[38]

    It also campaigns against Islam, immigration and abortion.[14] Its claimed objective is “to save this country and our people from the EU, politically correct, multicultural insanity that is now engulfing us”.”

    They can go fuck themselves. They don’t stand for me.

  6. Lynne says:

    OK, I wasn’t arguing that time in chokey was appropriate for this dismal stunt. It is hardly the crime of the century but it is nasty, petty and vile. And as RAB hints it is not the way to tackle Islamism.

    Absolutely. It takes a particularly mean minded piece of trash to perform such an act. Locking them up at great expense to honest people isn’t the answer. If the bacon slingers are so fond of pig meat then being sentenced to shoveling out the sties on a pig farm for a few months would be both corrective and useful.

    As to the leafleteers that is also dismal. There is no way despite my (lack of belief) I’d go next door tomorrow and shout in a Quaker meeting, “You’re all wasting your time!”. It was a deliberate attempt to provoke by a nasty organisation.

    As a rational human being you wouldn’t do that. Neither would I. I would describe it as a public order offence. But is it an act of terrorism? Really? Can you honestly equate it with what’s happening in the Middle East and Africa right now?

    This is how pogroms start.

    Straw man.

    “Britain First’s stated aim is to protect “British and Christian morality”,and is “committed to preserving our ancestral ethnic and cultural heritage” while it also “supports the maintenance of the indigenous British people as the demographic majority within our own homeland”, that “Genuine British citizens will be put first in housing, jobs, education, welfare and health”.[38]

    It also campaigns against Islam, immigration and abortion.[14] Its claimed objective is “to save this country and our people from the EU, politically correct, multicultural insanity that is now engulfing us”.”

    Which worked so well for the BNP.

    They can go fuck themselves.

    Yup.

    They don’t stand for me.

    Me neither but that still doesn’t make the hyperbolic language being used in the report of both cases to further inflame the offended and their supporters to be less relevant.

  7. NickM says:

    No, it isn’t a straw man. Nothing starts with the end-game. Slowly-slowly catchee monkey… The old boiling frog trick.

  8. Lynne says:

    So who is the chef? The white power retards? The power hungry, Malthusian embracing Fabians? The Ummah? Our own EUrophile politicians who have been quietly boiling our frog since the early 70s? All of the above?

    You know what they say about too many cooks…

  9. NickM says:

    Lynne,

    So the EU is the source of evil… You reckon? A Europe-wide free trade alliance is a good start. Much of the rest of the EU insanity is not but what is the cause of this. Yes, quite possibly the Fabians, quite possibly the Heathite-Cameroonites and their similar cohorts on the continent. They are the cause. The EU as is is the result. Not to put too fine a point on it blaming Brussels is blaming the gas leak on the fire not the other way about. As to the Fabians as such they bust their flush way back. The Ummah has feck all to do with it.

    But much Fabianism infested mainstream politics. We can learn much from their tactics. Us Libs need to infest the Tories and de-Heath them. Maggie did for a while.

    Here’s a odd one for you. HIV/AIDS has had minimal impact on the UK. Why? Norman Fowler (Health Sec to Maggie) acted with alacrity and though initially sceptical Maggie listened. Yes she did. Or the Falklands War. Maggie listened to her generals, air marshalls and admirals. She didn’t micro-control it like Churchill. Maggie did lead but she also listened. Yes, the most controversial politician in living memory listened.

    The chef has to listen. Listen is not taking orders. Did Blair or Brown listen? Does Cameron? But Maggie did and there is a lesson here. Well, two. A decent pol (and they do exist) can be converted by reason and the media lies viewing Maggie as a Caesar who brooked no debate. The MSM is not to be trusted. Maggie probably listened more than all these allegedly “touchy-feely” pols. Hmm…

  10. Lynne says:

    Nick, you got so carried away the frog has hopped it.

    :D

    On a more serious note, I broadly agree with what you’ve said in your last post.

  11. NickM says:

    When I boil a frog it stays boiled. I’ve never boiled a frog mind. I ain’t Heston ;-)

  12. Lynne says:

    My dog was mugged by a frog the other night. We have a small colony of them that breed in our pond and they are particularly active right now. It was only a matter of time before Ruby encountered one and when she did she nudged it gently with her nose. The frog hopped the wrong way and startled a springer spaniel a lot bigger than itself. She studiously ignores them now.

  13. Lynne says:

    Hi P

    Your comment has only just appeared. The other comments answer your initial query but something else you said needs to be addressed.

    If anybody walked into a cathedral and very publicly stretched a condom over the head of Jesus on the Cross and scrawled the word “whore” over the forehead of an effigy of virgin Mary, they would probably receive a custodial sentence too. The point of these is to deter others from behaving in a similar way, even though they may appear excessive.

    Custodial sentence? Don’t make me laugh. Google what a bunch of anti-capitalist crusties did to St Paul’s cathedral. Then try and find out whether or not the people responsible were arrested and bought to justice. The authorities were so concerned about the desecration it took weeks to get the crusties evicted.

    ITo drink six cans of Vitamin T and harf-arsedly bacon-wrap the mosques, risking the Danish embassies all over the middle east going up in smoke (again)?

    It’s not just about bacon. Or cartoons. When we become too afraid to speak out or do anything Islam finds offensive because to do so invites threats and violence it’s game over.

  14. Paul Marks says:

    Violating the private property rights of Muslims is wrong – no messing up their places of worship and no entering them without permission.

    However, the over reaction of the state (and the media) is far more worrying.

  15. Mr Ed says:

    Don’t worry about this, there’s a new crime coming along, all good signs of cultural decline.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10938371/Law-could-be-changed-to-stop-revenge-pornography-says-minister.html

  16. NickM says:

    Paul,
    I dunno. The vast majority of places of worship tend to be pretty inclusive. Having said that if you want a closed communion then fine.. Most don’t for the simple reason of getting bums on seats. Some do but for fairly obvious reasons they are dying out. This Quaker meeting house is far from dying as we are open to all. Not long since we had a kid who was being bullied. The Qs gave him the help he needed that he hadn’t got from school or elsewise. He got it from an obscure Christian sect that I clean toilets for. I am proud of that. I mean I only clean and take bookings but someone had to mop the floor for Armstong and Aldrin and Collins to have their little trip.

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