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About a week ago, I banged out a posting in the middle of the night about my doubts regarding mass schooling, which went down quite well, and I sort of implied I’d do a follow up about our attitude to children, and I’ve been trying to get it together ever since, which has turned out to be harder than I thought because I’ve Thought Too Hard about it. I plan in future to be more spontaneous.

First up, I woefully neglected to link in that post to John Taylor Gatto’s Underground History Of Education which is essential reading for “schooling sceptics”, thanks to those commenters who mentioned it.

The thing I said I’d address is that of infantilisation, which the internet tells me means “To reduce to an infantile state or condition”. In our current society we can see (at least) two aspects of this; firstly there is the general treatment of the entire population in an infantilising manner by our rulers, and secondly their is the more specific infantilisation of young people, which is basically an aspect of the first.

There are currently several popular and apparently self-contradictory narratives in play regarding the young. There is the narrative that children are eternal victims, suffering endless abuse about which Something Must Be Done. There is the contradictory narrative that our society is plagued by predatory gangs of children against which we must be protected- such that young people are described by the dehumanising term “feral”. There is the narrative that young people “grow up too fast” and have lost their innocence. Can we make any sense of all this? I think we can. Let’s do a visualisation exercise.

Imagine line-up, from left to right, of some young people. A newborn, a 3 year old, a 7 year old, an 11 year old, a 15 year old, and an 18 year old. You could extend it further to the right, though you may need larger jumps in ages- people of 25, 40, 60, 80 perhaps. The first thing we might note in our imaginary parade is that each of these persons is quite distinct. You could easily bring to mind stereotypical distinct images of each age (whereas if I said, a 7 year old next to an 8 year old, they may be too similar to distinctly imagine). The second thing we may observe is that they represent a continuum. Ageing is a gradual process. If we now fill out our lineup with many interpolations- imagine the same person at many more ages (7, 7.5, 8 etc) we don’t really see any point at which they magically transform from child to adult. In fact, where they cross the legal line between the two- say, between the 15 and 18 year olds, there is less difference than between, say, the 3 and the 7 year old, or the 11 and the 15 year old.

In legal terms, we do make a very sharp distinction. We set a legal age of majority, below which they
are legally a child and above which they are legally an adult. Now there is nothing inherently wrong with doing this, if we want to set legal ages for certain activities. The problem is, we then tend to think that this legal fiction represents an objective truth, some kind of platonic reality. So if our age is set at 16, we say that a fifteen year old actually is a child, in the same class as a five year old, but on the day of their 16th birthday a magical transformation occurs and they turn into an adult. In other words, we assign individuals to classes, and then presume that the definition of the class applies to every individual within it. This does not actually reflect any reality, but we think it does.

One characteristic applied to children is that they are not fit to make their own decisions. We can certainly say this is true of a 7 year old. The problem is, at what point does it cease to be true? It varies from individual to individual. As people we naturally understand this- we may say that one youngster is very childish, and another is very mature. We will say, “Alice is very advanced for her age” or “Bob is a late developer”. We know that individuals age at different rates.

Biology offers us one or two fairly distinct markers of ageing. Puberty is the most obvious one. There is a point in the single digits where memory switches from being eidetic (photographic) to associative. Again, these changes will occur at different ages in different individuals. You can’t easily make or apply a law based on and invidual’s puberty though (you can do X when you’ve had your first period is rather too intrusive and demeaning) so we set an age instead. If we look at most cultures that have set an “age of majority”, we tend to note that suspiciously it is around puberty- e.g. Bar Mitzvah in the Jewish culture is set at the age of 13.

What has happened since the start of the Progressive Era in the west is that more and more ages of majority have been set for various activities, and they are getting slowly but steadily later in life. Until 1929, the marriage age in Britain was 14 for boys, and 12 for girls, for instance. Then it was changed to 16. We have a minimum age for alcohol, a minimum age to buy tobacco (up recently from 16 to 18) and so on. There seems little doubt that if things carry on as they are, the drinking age will be boosted up to 21. In the 1980s, lovely Samantha Fox delighted the nation with her bosom at the age of 16- that was made illegal in 2003 and would now be classed as child pornography. There is a process underway whereby gradually childhood is being extended.

The most significant aspect for us in this article is that the age of schooling has recently been raised- against no signficant objection- to 18. Okay, you’re allowed to be in “education, employment or training” until 18, not necessarily at school, but the principle is that the State owns you as a child, until you are 18, and can decide what you must do with your time. There is also the increasing clamour for some kind of “national service” for young people. Because everyone under 18 is a “child” who is not considered capable of running their own life. There is no distinction between a 16 year old and a 6 year old, in the eyes of the progressive state.

Progressives see this as a Good Thing. In their terms, they see themselves as protecting young people from the rigours of adult life. They are protecting the young from sex, or drink, or having to go into the workplace. They see education as a gift which everybody rational must love, and cannot comprehend anyone who doesn’t appreciate it, and a young person who doesn’t much appreciate the school environment must have something wrong with them that needs fixing by psychologists. One of the most enormous problems with progressives is that although they love to talk about “diversity” they are the most terrible conformists, and cannot imagine anyone different from themselves. They followed a partiucular linear path- school, qualifications, university, degree in PPE, political researcher, MP, idiot cabinet minister- and cannot imagine why anyone would want to be any different. So they cannot comprehend that offering the gift of extended childhood- by compulsion- does not suit everybody, and that to many young people it is a damaging trap.

Let’s look again at that question of what age we transition from child to adult. As I said, it varies from individual to individual. But I think it’s fair to say that after puberty, the person starts to have adult concerns. That is, they start wanting to “make their way in the world”. The strength of desire for this again is variable. To those with a stronger desire, the entrapment in childhood and its structures such as schooling is a maddening repression. They may not be very academic. They may have strong opinions of what they want to do with life, and they want to get on with that, and they are not allowed.

There is also a very strong compulsion to start doing adult things. Boys in particular desire to be seen as young men. They will attempt to engage in activities compatible with, and demonstrable of, their manhood. And society- via the law- says, “This is not allowed”. I believe this has very negative consequences.

My father left school at 14. He started working in a local shoe factory (with his uncle Bill, as it goes). A young man of 14 in such a position has started on the road to manhood. He may not be fully an adult, and he’s still living with his parents and so on, but he has attained some of the attributes of it. He is earning a wage, he is mixing in the company of men. He fits naturally into the order of things as a “junior man” who must acquire status by gaining the respect of his elders and betters. So, let us say, his first experiences with beer will be in the company of older men, where he may learn from them as role models. His natural urges towards adulthood are being accommodated. But nowadays, until he is 18, he cannot do these things. He is trapped in the school as a child until at least 16, and cannot go to the pub for another two years after that. So his desire to look grown up comes out in negative emulation of adulthood. He can’t go to the pub, so he sits on park benches with people of his own age, out of social control and flinging beer cans at old ladies. And then there is a big social problem, and the government responds by trying to intensify the infantilising policies, and just making the problem worse.

In other words, what I’m trying to get at here is that there is an intensifying gap between objective reality- how young people actually are as human beings- and how society treats them. This gap covers the teenage years, in which many young people are desperate to start living their lives, and are legally barred from doing so, and so that biologically derived urge bubbles out as very negative behaviours- uncontrolled use of alchohol and drugs, irresponsible sex, pregnancies and so on. When young people are cut off from adults, is it any wonder they don’t learn to behave in the responsible manner required of adulthood? It results in growing numbers of, er, “kidults” who fail the transition to adulthood because it was not available to them when it was required, and who will fail for the rest of their lives as a result of that bad pattern being set at a crucial formative age. We aren’t protecting young people at all. We are condemning them.

The reality is, that young people are not “growing up too fast” at all. They are trying to grow up, and we are actively as a society trying to stop them. We do not allow a natural transition into adulthood. It is now idealised that every young person should stay a child at school at least until they are eighteen, and ideally into their twenties. This suits some people, but there are many who it does not suit at all, and the social problem we experience from “out of control” teenagers are a direct consequence. If we don’t let them grow up properly, they will do so most improperly indeed. The constrictive solutions are actually the problem.

Let’s look at those “feral gangs”. I live in a chavtown, and of an evening there are often gangs of teenagers hanging about, and yes they can be scary and yes they can be violent etc. But what is the source of this phenomenon? Well, I’ll admit, I was a feral teenager once too. Now don’t get me wrong, I never hurt anybody or committed vandalism or even drank beer or anything, I was the nicest feral teenager you ever did meet. But I have memories of endlessly going “out”. Not going somewhere specific. I’d just go out, out of the house, and wander around for endless hours with my friends just doing nothing. Talking. Sit somewhere for a bit, walk somewhere else, sit there. We never meant or did any harm, but might have looked a bit scary to an old lady, I dunno.

But we went “out” because we were young men with a hardwired urge to escape the nest- to be away from parental control. To be on our own. We couldn’t actually do anything because we hadn’t got any money, or hardly any anyway. And if we had had some money, we couldn’t go to the pub because that isn’t legal. So we’d just be “out”. And it would be easy to see that if we’d been of a more assertive nature and had some girls to show off in front of we could have descended into that aggression display that is also hardwired into young men, that manifests as vandalism and violence. It is, unfortunately, human nature.

In other words, like a beardy social worker says, these youngsters are bored. But the beardy would say, “then let us build them a yoof club!” or “let us give them organised sport!”. But the whole thing about that teenage desire for adulthood is a desire to be away from artificial kiddie structures like schools and yoof clubs. I wouldn’t have been seen dead in a youth club. What they need is instead the ability to start involving themselves in real, adult life, earning their own money and socialising normally. And if that is to happen, we must stop saying that they are children.

(And being admittedly highly speculative here, we should consider also I think the mysterious growing burden of mental disturbance in young people. Girls in particular are suffering bizarre psychoses- anorexia, bulimia, self harming. We certainly live in a society where there is pressure to be thin (and the medical profession are currently piling that on in shovelfuls), but often when asked why they are driven to these behaviours, they will say something like “my eating is the only thing I can control”. My ex’s niece, an anorexia sufferer, said this. As we fret about the causes of thse disorders, do we ignore the obvious- that it is the denial of control of the self desired by these young women causing it? Is it simply the case that while boys denied their manhood are more likely to hurt others, girls denied their womanhood hurt themselves? I think it’s worth at least considering.)

The age at which the desire- the need- to put away childish things occurs is different for each individual. As I said earlier, puberty is a pretty good approximate marker of the transition. We cannot and obviously should not intrude on each individual at that personal level, but we could at least recognise again that the age of majority should best approximate to it. I have said before that I’d like to see “schooling” in its current form disappear entirely, but as a first step I would immediately reduce the age of compulsion to 14 or 13, such that those young men and women entrapped by it can escape it in those crucial transitionary years.

The immediate response to such a suggestion will be, “then they will get no qualifications, and be failures in life”- and to that I would reply that this is itself a problem created by a credentialised society, in which anyone who does not stay on a specific credentialising conveyor belt collecting diplomas is doomed, and we are thus led to reconsider that aspect of our society (which is again a consequence of progressivist ideology).

But that, as the saying goes, is another article.

12 Comments

  1. Asparuhov says:

    Mass education is surely the one of the most vile, insidious, facetious practices that can ever be imagined by any evil soul intent on heartily harming the people it dislikes.

    Added to the points raised in IanB’s two excellent posts, the most repugnant outcome of mass education is (in my opinion) the fostered, conditioned dependency that is perpetuated through two channels; the minimum leaving age and the whole range of test and certificates that measure your progress.

    The minimum leaving age has been dealt with above; it quite literally prevents the person from making a decision on how best to spend his time. It does not allow a person to assume responsibility for himself (even though this is always a stated aim). The time between the initial decision regarding the course of one’s life and the legal ability to follow is more than a deadweight loss; if prolonged it stunts the feeling and desire for responsibility and traps the person in a kind of narcotic inertia.

    The practice of studying for and gaining certificates of progress is symbiotic with a minimum leaving age, and, at the risk of over-dramatising, is a system designed to create dependency and stunt responsibility and self determination. I am no conspiracy nut, but it is almost inconceivable that a system so refined at achieving and deliberate in its machinations came about accidentaly through the ignorance of policy makers.

    It doesnt take perspective to work out that pretty much every test taken at school is a waste of time that in no way engenders a love or understanding of the underlying subject. This is demonstrable by speaking to pretty much every school student.

    However, tests are so systemic that children really grow up to believe that they are arbiters of value. The children do not develop an understanding of themselves that will lead to responsibility and self determination; they forever have to ‘borrow’ an understanding of their abilities from the authority that controls the setting and marking of tests. They are as worthy or unworthy as the examiners tell them, and added to this is the implicit assumption that any learning they enjoy that is not examinable is frivolous or unimportant.

    Who gets to win here? Not the most imaginative, or creative, or good-humoured, or practical, or inquisitive child; this is obvious. The winner is the person who can most accurately interpret, collate and carry out the exact instructions that have been given as to how to get the best mark. Of course, bright kids do well to, but the method of inquiry inherent in the process prevents them from being adults capable of critical thinking. The game is to learn the name and a descriptive sentence of the most complicated theory, and pretend as if you have mastered it.

    So whats the problem? Irresponsible kids become irresponsible adults, incapable of the most basic independent thinking, forever looking to somebody else for instructions, following rules and guidelines, allowing other people to appraise their progress, borrowing a conception of value and achievement never questioning their duty to whatever it is they sign up for, waiting for an authority to tell them what this or that means comparing achievements with other people who compare achievements, all in all, a fat blind wall of mass with no independent direction, scared to take the slightest step without anybody there to hold their hand, waiting to be led, directed, appraised and rewarded, an abomination, a sickly imitation of a free, rational, independent individual.

    Don’t believe me? Get accepted into a prestigious university and recoil in horror or take a summer internship at an investment bank.

    Its like the Myth of Sysiphus, but the people have ‘chosen’ it themselves..

  2. RAB says:

    It’s sunday night, I just got back from visting mum in Cardiff, so I’m not up for heavy intellectual conversation at this point, just a big drink and a read of the papers and blogs.

    A good few years ago now, I was feeling a bit altruistic.Unstereotypical of a Libertarian some might say, but I had just met this whole family who couldnt read while travelling the tube in London.
    I managed to put them on the right trains and get them off again, but it set me thinking about how lost you are without being able to read. How outside how many loops you are, and opportunities wasted.

    So I signed up to teach Adult literacy classes at night school for free.

    Well it all went fine for a couple of years, mainly immigrants wanting to pick up valuable English skills quickly, but always some of those brave folks in their 40s who had been hiding their illiteracy all this time. Were smart as a whip but because they couldn’t read, they didnt even know what they earned properly.

    So I tried to help, and it was working. People were learning to read!

    No indoctrination, just the basics.

    Then we got a new Supervisor.

    Suddenly I was advised to study for a Diploma in teaching. In fact this Diploma became compulsory by some Govt edict or other later on.

    So despite having a Law Degree and giving up my time for free, I now have to go out and get one of you fatuous Diplomas!!!
    To Help people be free!

    Well I’m sorry illiterates, I’m sure I could have helped a few of you, but you are never going to know now are you? Well you cant read this for a start.

    I left in short order.

    You will need a Diploma in Roadsweeping next.
    Or is there one already

  3. daphne says:

    More thoughts to come, but John Gatto is brilliant, Ian.

  4. daphne says:

    That was a hell of a lot of words to get through, I bet you’re fun to have a drink with on a warm night, you chatty man.

    Basically, I agree (I think). We’ve extended societal childhood well past the point of protection into a place of detrimental, crippling harm to emerging adults. As a result, we complain about the irresponsibility of young people we expect to be self-sufficient, contributing members rather than the perpetual children we’ve insisted they become over the past thirty years.

    **OT - Chris, can we get a check off box at the bottom to alert commenters by email of responses on discussions? Makes it much easier than opening the site every hour to talk with folks.

  5. IanB says:

    Thanks Daphne, I think it’s not one of my best pieces of writing TBH. I had real trouble with it because it had developed as a half dozen mental drafts all of which were novel length, and trying to get that into something coherent and blog length wasn’t easy. I think what I was trying to say was that not only is the transition from child to adult too late, it’s also an artificial distinction. People grow through a series of stages, and rather than gradually assuming adult freedoms and responsibilities, we have this boolean divide in which one day you’re a child, and the next you’re an adult, and that just doesn’t map onto reality. We might compare that to a more traditional informal growth process moderated by parents and other adults in which they are in a sense constantly assessing the “adultness” of the youngster and making choices about what is suitable for them, until such point as they’re ready to fly the nest, kind of thing.

    In our society the world of childhood is increasingly isolated from the world of adulthood, and moderated by “professionals” by formal rules in an institutional and very artificial setting.

    Anecdotally: when I was 15 I started working on some shows (a pantomime initially) at my local theater as a followspot operator. The difference between that environment and school was stark and I think it up-buggered my chances of going to University as was kind of expected of me. At work I was doing a job that required ability, for which i got commensurate respect, I was a person among people. A junior one who knew his place, but nonetheless a person. Then next morning on would go the silly school uniform and drag myself through the school gates and I was a child again and acted like one. I stayed on in the Sixth Form at school until I was 18 as expected, but looking back had entirely lost interest in the edjication thing, and just wanted to get out there and live life, because I’d had the chance to experience what it’s like to be living life as a person instead of being a schoolchild. Of course it didn’t help that theatres are kind of cool places to work, especially when you’re 15, heh.

    **Cats I’d quite like email notifications too :)

  6. TDK says:

    Another book that may be of interest is Compulsory Miseducation by Paul Goodman

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/7120003/Compulsory-Miseducation

  7. Jax says:

    “One characteristic applied to children is that they are not fit to make their own decisions. We can certainly say this is true of a 7 year old.”

    Which own decisions? My 6 year old dressed himself this morning. He has chosen what to learn and explore all day. He has sometimes requested my help, and sometimes my permission to extend what he was doing (for example, we have a check before you download rule so as to avoid nasties on the computer). I expect his independence to grow steadily as he tries out his own decisions with my guidance.

    Don’t underestimate children. They are way more capable than you think. I daresay that there are 7 year olds in various parts of the world earning a living and looking after siblings or in some cases parents. (There may even be some here, but they’d struggle more with the earning a living part of it.)

    And on puberty. The age at which puberty hits is getting younger isn’t it? so would you envisage ages of responsibility getting lower and lower?

    It has always seemed ridiculous to me that a child can get married and have children of their own but not have a drink to celebrate either occasion. Odd.

  8. IanB says:

    Very good points Jax, thanks for your comments. After I posted this I read it through and the thing about the 7 year old struck me as not quite right as well. I was trying to say that in general you would trust a young child’s decision making ability less than an older one’s, rather than how it came across, due to a failure in my writing skills. Most people wouldn’t believe a 7 year old is capable of making a sexual choice, or a medical choice, or of driving a vehicle, for instance, which is why we have ages of consent for these things which are a very blunt instrument. They act as a crude protection, but I’d think most people would want to protect the 7 year old from consenting to sex, for instance. It’s hard to think of a law one could make in that regard that isn’t age-based.

    The thing on puberty was my suggestion that that is when young people start having strongly adult concerns and thus it’s the most dangerous years after that where we enforce childishness upon them. But my theme was trying to be that ageing is a continuum and that every young person is an individual, and as such mass institutional treatment of young people is a very poor system that causes a great deal of harm.

    I’m suspicious of the claim that the age of puberty is actually getting significantly lower, since I deeply distrust most statistics as they are generally generated by people with an axe to grind. It may be that it was a bit higher in the past due to poor nutrition; in which case the previous higher age was the anomaly, not a return to a lower age which would be the normal.

  9. RAB says:

    Well our arbitary rules on what age you can do what at, are simply that, arbitary.

    You can die for your country but not get a drink, legally, in it.

    When I was seven, me and a few mates set off to the woods to build a log cabin.

    The Last of the Mohicans was on telly, circa 1959, and we’d found this big pile of cut logs out there, so we wanted a log cabin.

    Absolutely no idea how to build one by the way, but we knew what we needed to do so.

    So we all arranged to meet up with our dads hammers and axes and nails and saws(you’d get arrested going about tooled up like this these days) and set about the task of doing Fennimor Cooper proud.

    Well we failed utterly didn’t we!
    But at least we had a go.

    No never underestimate children…

  10. RonnieS says:

    Agree.

    John Holt was excellent on all this stuff in da sxties. Recommended.

    But, Asparuhov says,
    ” I am no conspiracy nut, but it is almost inconceivable that a system so refined at achieving and deliberate in its machinations came about accidentaly through the ignorance of policy makers.”

    You sound a bit like an inteligent designer there. Why shouldn’t it?
    To refer back to the “skool”post. “Skool” is meeting deep needs for many people, as enumerated in the “skool” post.

    It will take a shock of some sort to threaten the education/industrial complex. It is finely tuned. Nuclear war/global warming…maybe. I don’t think (though I would like to) that a bunch of libertarian home educators (eg me) can achieve it.

    Best

    R

  11. NickM says:

    Well, one of the good things to have happened recently is that doctors and nurses actually talk to very young kids about medical treatment.

    Hell, when I dated a US citizen she was on the warpath about the criminalising (statutory rape) of teenagers getting up to antics with each other. I mean there was a case of a high school football captain going down for ten years (and sex offenders register for life - so that’s his life wrecked) for getting a blow-job from his slighty younger girlfriend who was a cheerleader. For fuck’s sake! I knew people that sort of age getting up to antics (I never managed it - alas - though it was not for the want of trying). I mean we have laws on the age of consent to prevent peados don’t we? They are not to criminalize teens are they?

    Not that we are any better, really. I mean in the UK you can have sex at 16 but for that post-coital “how was it for you my dear” moment as you light your Marlie you have to be 18 to buy.

    Frankly I’d reduce the age for pipe-baccy to five on general principles. I mean for fuck’s sake how many teenagers are going to wanderr the streets with a bloody meerschaum hanging out of their mouths solving mysteries?

  12. Lord T says:

    Excellent post. Just what I was going to do a post on but yours is much much better.

    I would hate to be growing up now. So many things they just will not experience or learn until they hit adulthood and then bam. They get put away because it’s illegal.

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