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Seeking advice

Now, I’m a bit of a Joss Whedon fan, but I never watched Firefly when it was on. Should I make the effort now? Is it worth it?


  1. Andy H says:


  2. Kinuachdrach says:

    Definitely. It might be worth watching the movie (Serenity) first, since it explains the society Whedon had imagined — as well as being a ripping yarn. The TV series was cut off before Whedon could turn all the cards face up.

    And the Adam Baldwin character is priceless!

  3. Pavlov's Cat says:

    Yes, yes you should.

  4. Bill says:

    Yes, although I’d recommend the TV show and then movie if you haven’t already seen Serenity.

    Roughly, the first ten minutes of the movie are back-story relating to two of the characters just prior to the start of TV show and then it jumps till after the events of show have taken place, plus some time. You miss out on a lot of other stuff covered in the show.

    Ideally, I would have like to have seen a second season to cover the events leading up to the movie and then the movie expanded as a final third season.

    All in all, it’s still quite good with high re-watch value.

  5. JuliaM says:

    Definitely! But don’t watch ‘Serenity’ first. Save it to last. You’ll understand why…

  6. Macheath says:

    Can’t speak for myself, but my teenage sons concur with JuliaM – when I watched Serenity with them, they had to explain at great length (and very condescendingly) what had happened in Firefly.

  7. Sunfish says:

    Yes. Start with the 2-hour episode called “Serenity,” not the movie. In the US DVD release, the episodes are in the correct order.

    And for the love of all that is holy, my friend, YES. It’s quite possibly my favorite non-animated TV show ever and runs neck-and-neck with South Park.

  8. CountingCats says:

    So I should take all this enthusiasm as a ‘yes’ then, should I?

  9. Moriarty says:

    I never watched the show when it came out, either. I heard the ruckus about Serenity and thought I should probably become more Culturally Enlightened(TM) and bought the Firely DVDs.

    I’m glad I did. The series breathed a breath of fresh air into the scifi genre. It’s a story told “bottom up” from the viewpoint of the losers in a civil war. It has strong libertarian elements including a rebellion against a massive, dystopian government and the problem of principled people reduced to crime in a quest for freedom in an inherently unfree society. It’s a story told with wit, irony and humor. Best of all, there are no stupid aliens mucking up the story lines.

    Predictably, the network’s incompetence strangled the show in its cradle. It’s a pity. There was a chance to work over some untrammeled and entertaining ground.

  10. Bod says:

    I’ll be in my bunk.

  11. The man with many chins says:

    Definitely. Like others said, watch the series before you watch Serenity.

  12. Gray says:

    Yes. By all means.

    Get the 4 dvd set and watch them in the “correct order” not the order Fox tried to air them. The dvd jacket explains all this. Watch Serenity last to tie up the loose ends.

    Mal Reynolds is a good Captain, but not a good guy; bloody-minded, competent and independent, he makes Han Solo look like a puss.

    Growing up and living in New Mexico, serving in the US Army, and now working as an engineer on hi-tech defense programs; this show has extreme resonance for me. I dunno…. I’m biased, but based on reading your blog for a while, I think you’ll love it.

  13. Gray says:

    @ bod: Thanks, Jayne….

    Some people keep exotic dangerous pets, Mal Reynolds keeps Jayne Cobb around.

    The Man they call Jayne!
    He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor,
    He stood up to the man and he gave him what for.
    Our love for him now, aint hard to explain,
    The hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne!

    That’s a great episode.

  14. Pavlov's Cat says:

    So I should take all this enthusiasm as a ‘yes’ then, should I?

    I would think so.

    And it’s given me an idea for a way to spend a pleasent Bank Holiday – A Firefly Fest


  15. Simon Jester says:

    Yes yes yes yes yes!

    I think the best summary I’ve heard of Firefly is that it’s the anti-Star Trek: both series are essentially westerns set in space, but ST is essentially shot from the viewpoint of the US Cavalry, while Firefly shows the viewpoint of people who don’t have the might of the state to back up their every decision.

    Plus, it has a couple of episodes with Christina Hendricks wearing far less than she does in Mad Men…

  16. Sunfish says:

    I think the best summary I’ve heard of Firefly is that it’s the anti-Star Trek: both series are essentially westerns set in space, but ST is essentially shot from the viewpoint of the US Cavalry, while Firefly shows the viewpoint of people who don’t have the might of the state to back up their every decision.

    Not to mention dialogue that might be spoken by real people, and Whedon/Minear did not dream up some new astrophysical technobabble phenomenon to patch plot holes.

    (And I don’t understand the logic by which the Federation is the good guys when the Empire of Star Wars is not. But that’s probably a rant for some other time.)

  17. Alex Lane says:

    Oh, my! Yes, do not miss Firefly (and save the movie for last!)

  18. CountingCats says:


    You have clearly missed the intermittent but perpetual discussion about Star Trek across the libertarian blogosphere.

    The general conclusions seem to be that while the Federation may be benign in intent, it is unquestionable fascist in action.

    Take that dreadful Prime Directive thingy, dictating to the citizenry just whom they may trade with, or even speak to.

  19. NickM says:

    Seeing as the federation doesn’t use money trade is moot. Has anyone explained how a society can operate without money?

  20. Rob Fisher says:

    Yes, yes, yes! It’s worth it for the moment when Captain Reynolds returns to find one of his crew members being held at gunpoint. You’ve seen it hundreds of times before: everyone stands around pointing guns at each other and agonising over whether they should shoot, or can shoot the bad guy without accidentally hitting the good guy.

    Well, not Captain Reynolds, oh no!

    NickM: if you have replicators and holodecks, and energy is free, you don’t need money. What’s harder to explain is how, given replicators and holodecks, anyone gets any work done. Computer: resume programme. Oh yeah, that’s what I’m talking about.

  21. Roue le Jour says:

    There are always people who work even though they derive no financial benefit from it, so I guess those are the people who make up the crew. Which does suggest an interesting basis for a story, that all the people in Starfleet or whatever are the rebels, revolutionaries, terrorists and intellectuals who couldn’t bear to live in the socialist dystopia back on Earth.

    I’ve often wondered what you would see if the camera panned left during those shots on the steps of Starfleet Academy. Something not dissimilar to Megacity One, is my guess.

  22. Laird says:

    Let me add my voice to the chorus of “yesses”, and also to the admonition that you watch the TV series (in the proper order) before the movie. The movie is reasonably good, in its own way, and it ties up some loose ends that Whedon didn’t get to in the series, but the significance of those ends won’t be apparent unless you’ve watched the series.

    As an aside, how can you claim to be a Joss Whedon fan without having watched Firefly? Are you merely a “Buffy” fan?

  23. Chris says:

    Very much yes.

    “Firefly” is “Blake’s 7″ (w. decent FX) crossed with “Deadwood”.

    Of course, you have to play the drinking game too. ;)

  24. Bill says:

    “…rebellion against a massive, dystopian government…”
    I disagree for most values of dystopian. The Alliance is basically portrayed as a realistic socialist/nanny-state utopia. It was certainly better than Brave New World. One of the great aspects of the show was that even offered order, law, peace, education, wealth, medicine, etc., the protagonists would rather be free.

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