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Judeophobia

From Harrys Place: the BBC on the nature of anti-Semitism.

“Given that the principle of the Jewish state would be defended to the death by most if not all Jewish Israelis, to call for the dismantling of the Jewish state is to encompass the possibility of the wholesale death of its Jewish population. And if one can contemplate that with equanimity, one’s cold-heartedness puts one in the company of antisemites even if it doesn’t qualify one as an antisemite.”

Abolition of Israel? I would take this argument one step further. What other state faces calls for it’s abolition? During the height of the cold war were there any common mainstream demands that Russia be abolished? Or even the Soviet Union? Is there any country in Africa, the Americas, Asia or Oceania which faces constant outside demands it be abolished?

What is it about Israel that makes it the only country who’s abolition can be demanded? It’s Jewish nature?

I will rephrase the quotation, when it comes to the abolition of Israel, if one can contemplate that with equanimity, one’s cold-heartedness doesn’t simply put one in the company of antisemites, it provides proof positive that one is fully qualified as an antisemite.

22 Comments

  1. john in cheshire says:

    If muslims and socialists didn’t exist, would the world be any the worse as a consequence?

  2. Matt says:

    Belgium once held a vote and voted to dismantle itself. Good riddance would be appropriate. Nasty lot. Been without a government for about a year (I think it is) and who has noticed?

  3. JTW says:

    “If muslims and socialists didn’t exist, would the world be any the worse as a consequence?”

    Unknown. My understanding of human nature tells me something equally bad or worse would pop up instead.

    “Belgium once held a vote and voted to dismantle itself.”

    Belgium is an artificial construct more than is Israel. It was created after the defeat of Napoleon to provide a buffer against future French agression to the north, never mind that the people living there didn’t like one another one bid and had no say in things.
    Pretty much the way most of Africa and parts of Asia were cut up into nation states with the dissolution of the colonial holdings there.

  4. Locke says:

    I think we should offer the Jewish people Wales to do with as they will.

  5. mike says:

    What number of “anti-capitalists” are also anti-semites, and what number of anti-semites are also “anti-capitalist”? Which is the larger and how large is the overlap?

  6. RAB says:

    Or what number of Semites are also anti capitalist? It’s rather a long list actually, starting even before Karl Marx.

    We already have quite a few Jews in Wales already thanks Locke. Leo Abse etc being some of the more leftie ones. My wife is Jewish enough to have had an invitation to the opening of the Ponty Concentration Camp, had Adolf won the War.

    To do with as they wish?

    Well offshore banking obviously, cos I have met Moshe the Financier, Moshe the market Gardener, Moshe the musician, but never Moshe the Sheep farmer or miner.

  7. NickM says:

    Cats,

    I have tried.

    Delete me.

    I can’t.

    Please…

  8. NickM says:

    Just do it.

  9. RAB says:

    Cats, [Cool cool kats...]

    I have tried. [In my way to be free...]

    Delete me. [Please delete me let me go...]

    I can’t. [Seem to get no Satisfaction...]

    Please… [Please Me! ]

    Christmas is coming early to our Nicholas it seems, that’s two lost weekends in a row! ;-)

  10. lmda says:

    Was it Cato who was Carthageophobic?

  11. Lynne says:

    Is Nick suffering from a chronic case of Incontinentia Frigida this week?

  12. NickM says:

    Er… no Lynne. I just had two comments bounced from Blogger blogs for exceeding 4096 characters and was upset. Anyway, a week-long chronic condition? I think people are making the mistake of taking me seriously.

    lmda,
    Well maybe for but for a really severe case of Carthagenophobia I don’t think one should look past Scipio Africanus. Actually no. You’re right (Wikipedia tells me so). Scipio was benevolent in victory. Bugger, that’s what come from me only having gone to a Comprehensive School. Where did I get the idea that the Romans razed Carthage and salted the earth? Probably a dream after too much cheese and Civilization.

  13. ADE says:

    It’s quite simple.

    A bunch of neolithics, excrutiatingly embarassed by their neoliticy, have their backwardness highlighted by a ‘there goes the neighbourhood’ moment, only to have their feelings rescued by a bunch of prostitutes selling themselves for oil money.

    The tarts promise to listen to the neolithics in the morning, and the poor old Arabs think they mean it.

    The Jews aren’t special, they’re just first.

    ADE

  14. Paul Marks says:

    There are some people on the left who oppose the forces of Islam with all their strength.

    Sadly they are a minority of the left (most are in the P.C. “the enemy of my enemy is my friend – this people share our hatred of the West so we must support them” ranks), but decent leftists do exist.

    By the way “the left” does not just include socialists.

    For example, Timothy Garton Ash denies being a socialist – and it true that he does not want the collective ownership of all the means of production, distribution and exchange.

    But he is quite happy with the idea of selling out Europe (let alone Israel) to the forces of Islam.

    He does NOT share their theology – he just (quite rightly) regards the traditional West as the enemy of his version of “liberalism” (not a version Gladstone would have recognised – but a common one today) and (also quite rightly) sees Islam as a ally against the forces of the traditional West.

    Where he is error is his assumption that (after what little of the traditional West that remains is destroyed) the forces of Islam will just become fluffy (perfectly happy to be part of “liberalism” as he understands it).

    This error is so vast it is hard to know where to start – so I will stop here.

  15. NickM says:

    Paul,
    George Galloway (in)famously described socialism as the same as Islam just without God. You can imagine how pious Muslims reacted to that! He suffered from a lack of RESPECT afterwards.

  16. Chuckles says:

    ‘What other state faces calls for it’s abolition? ‘

    They’re probably top of the ‘hit’ parade by reason of locality and oustanding issues, but the USA and most of Europe probably feature fairly close behind. I’m tempted to call them a proxy, but it’s not really the word I want; probably trying to say that there is additional negative affection being directed at them rather than the actual targets – not only are they Jewish (shock horror) but they’re friends of the Great Satan as well!!!

  17. Ian F4 says:

    George Galloway (in)famously described socialism as the same as Islam just without God.

    He missed out the word “national”.

  18. NickM says:

    Ian F4,
    Quite.

  19. Paddy says:

    “Given that the principle of the German state would be defended to the death by most if not all German Citizens, to call for the dismantling of the German state is to encompass the possibility of the wholesale death of its German population. And if one can contemplate that with equanimity, one’s cold-heartedness puts one in the company of anti-Germans even if it doesn’t qualify one as anti-German.”

    Substitute any nationality you wish… From German to Sub-Carpathian Ruthenian I still can’t see what’s exceptional about the original example.

  20. CountingCats says:

    Easy, no one is calling for the elimination of the German state. Only the Jewish state gets this.

  21. NickM says:

    Cats shoots and it’s in the back of the onion bag! That is the key difference. I mean no one is calling for Juan Carlos to be shot and Spain to be turned into an emirate… Oh, noes, it’s the same cunts who want Israelistan. Sorry! How naive of me.

    Germany is of course a curious example for two reasons. The first is that it’s not really a country as such and when it gets especially nationalistic Hell follows with it and the second is that no country on the planet in 1945 had raised so many hackles yet not even then did we destroy it. Frau Merkel is still Chancellor of Germany. BMWs drive down my street and Claudia Schiffer advertises perfume on my TV. That is the Israeli exception because if any country ever “deserved” to be dismantled and hurled to the howling it was Germany in 1945 but something stayed our hand (mainly not being cunts). We could have turned the gaff into the mutant zone but we didn’t. The Israelis though are exceptionally hated not least because they even unleashed Mossad trained sharks on the Egyptians (see Sam’s post).

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